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Charger Daytona delayed? Prototypes supposedly failing.

NOPE EPA will not make emission changes but likely will push back the EV mandates. The Courts already have ruled and CARB states are allowed federalism which mean they can set their own Emission rules and EV mandates. We already when through that 7 years ago.

Apparently they need to work the same magic from a marketing perspective on the Hemi with SIxpack. That clickety engine with the fragile valve train and popping heads some how is the only ICE option now, when 98% of the population never even pull the plastic cover off to count the plugs.
 
Good looking car. Cant wait to have this thing in my driveway and "MOD BABY MOD!!!"
 
hopefully Direct Connection will really offer alot for this car. it has so much potential
 
Corporate Cousin with Twin Turbo exhaust note.

BMW
I think less of than Alfa.

I heard some good sounding Nissan engines but I can't find a good Youtube version... I also heard so awful Coyote engines.

You all aware whats going on in California? Even if the 392 survived or 5.7 with the bypass flapper. They are getting fined for using them and having the option turned off across all OEMS

Mid you nothing sounds better than 392, and yes Turbos mute the sound, but given the regulation it might not be that case much longer for NA enginers.
 
TripleT said:
NOPE EPA will not make emission changes but likely will push back the EV mandates. The Courts already have ruled and CARB states are allowed federalism which mean they can set their own Emission rules and EV mandates. We already when through that 7 years ago.

Apparently they need to work the same magic from a marketing perspective on the Hemi with SIxpack. That clickety engine with the fragile valve train and popping heads some how is the only ICE option now, when 98% of the population never even pull the plastic cover off to count the plugs.
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And none of that means they couldn’t build a new V8. Stop with the nonsense.
 
TripleT said:
NOPE EPA will not make emission changes but likely will push back the EV mandates. The Courts already have ruled and CARB states are allowed federalism which mean they can set their own Emission rules and EV mandates. We already when through that 7 years ago.

Apparently they need to work the same magic from a marketing perspective on the Hemi with SIxpack. That clickety engine with the fragile valve train and popping heads some how is the only ICE option now, when 98% of the population never even pull the plastic cover off to count the plugs.
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scatpack_69 said:
And none of that means they couldn’t build a new V8. Stop with the nonsense.
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If they decide to offer a V8 again in anything other than Ram 2500, are they going to upgrade the current design and solve the inherited design issues? Or are they going to design a Gen-IV from the scratch?
It’s a matter of ROI and the regulations which inconsistent
 
Corporate cousins already have this engine and has been dropped and didn't make more Horsepower than the Hurricane. It really centers around geometry to hold the head intact with the increased cavity pressures of DI engines and high specific energy.

The biggest complaint seems to be the sound and that is not called Hemi, and that the V8 is some magical HP configuration. Even though it is inherently imbalanced.

Corvette has shown in low volumes you can basically make bespoke 1000hp monster, but that is true of the Hurricane also.

As for the sound, you're not going to get that from any Turbo engine as they are natural mufflers. Super charged engine are parasitic and have packaging issues.

They should have called it Hemi6 I suppose because at this point to me it is all marketing.

Literally had a person say. I don't care how fast or powerful the new engine is all I care about is the sound!!????

That my friends is call Posing
 
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Hypothetically, wouldn’t an upgraded 5.7 HEMI made 420hp or an upgraded 6.4 made a 540hp?
I’d bet it would and return the single digit mpg improvement.
The crate 426 HEMI, in NA form, would and could have been certified for the production and road application.
For any engineering worth their title would have overcome a challenge given the budget and then looking at the ROI.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited for the Hurricane 6, but it seems a lot have draw the line on the HEMI V8.
 
Mopar392 said:
Hypothetically, wouldn’t an upgraded 5.7 HEMI made 420hp or an upgraded 6.4 made a 540hp?
I’d bet it would and return the single digit mpg improvement.
The crate 426 HEMI, in NA form, would and could have been certified for the production and road application.
For any engineering worth their title would have overcome a challenge given the budget and then looking at the ROI.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m excited for the Hurricane 6, but it seems a lot have draw the line on the HEMI V8.
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They couldn't get any of those past the emissions requirement not to mention efficiency requirements.

I agree they did an awesome job pitching the heavy clickety engine, hell I love mine also. They need to put a similar marketing effort into the new powerplant.

LIkely would have had to detune the Hemi to make emissions, it shouldn't be surprised given the age of engines. One loses in OEM comparisons the amount of small displacement turbo engines and EV sold by the other "Domestics" to still offer low volume V8 productions, and at that the low volume most are the lower tune engines that new 6 beats. I live in a Ford town and if call the Coyote good sounding you're lying to yourself.

With SolidState batteries coming and common platform HEV with EVs the days of the physical connection to the drivetrain are on the clock. It best we enjoy it while we can. Miller cycle powerplants running to motors plural is closer than we all think.

I'd roll out and maybe they will a Bespoke version of the old Maserati V8 in a limited addition Charger to steal from the Ford and GM playbook... and an insane price throw in Carbon Fiber roof, hood, boot cover, and front fenders. Just as a Halo, while offering similar performance by a few tenths of the Hurricane with upgrade packages. Purely as a marketing exercise.
 
Even though we share a love for everything MOPAR, it's difficult to agree on how to fix the current mess. While it didn't make sense to continue paying emissions credits for the big V8's, and the new inline 6 is a pretty darn good motor, Americans still want their V8's. And they can go get them from GM and Ford. And Americans are doing just that. Also, it didn't make sense for the Federal Government to mandate all electric vehicles either. After all, there are multiple technologies that are very promising. Why not let innovation find the solution to less CO2 instead of mandating BEV? And now, post election, we may find out that the BEV mandate is no more.
I sure wish Dodge and Ram had a new line of small V8's coming up but they don't. They will live or die based on how Americans feel about the I-6 because the brands will not survive on electric power only. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not interested in an electric Ram or Dodge and neither are my many friends or their kids.
I do like the clean look of the Charger and have since it was unveiled, but retro look without the real deal under the hood is not exciting I'm sorry to say. I hope Stellantis can right the ship and keep these iconic brands alive. Maybe the exhaust note from the I-6 can be tweaked to sound better... I do love the sound of my Hemi. It makes me smile. Sounds like, victory.
 
Jeeper1961 said:
Even though we share a love for everything MOPAR, it's difficult to agree on how to fix the current mess. While it didn't make sense to continue paying emissions credits for the big V8's, and the new inline 6 is a pretty darn good motor, Americans still want their V8's. And they can go get them from GM and Ford. And Americans are doing just that. Also, it didn't make sense for the Federal Government to mandate all electric vehicles either. After all, there are multiple technologies that are very promising. Why not let innovation find the solution to less CO2 instead of mandating BEV? And now, post election, we may find out that the BEV mandate is no more.
I sure wish Dodge and Ram had a new line of small V8's coming up but they don't. They will live or die based on how Americans feel about the I-6 because the brands will not survive on electric power only. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not interested in an electric Ram or Dodge and neither are my many friends or their kids.
I do like the clean look of the Charger and have since it was unveiled, but retro look without the real deal under the hood is not exciting I'm sorry to say. I hope Stellantis can right the ship and keep these iconic brands alive. Maybe the exhaust note from the I-6 can be tweaked to sound better... I do love the sound of my Hemi. It makes me smile. Sounds like, victory.
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Where can they get a big V8 in car at GM? other than the Corvette.... GM is way head on the EV and small displacement engine process then STLA and they are turning record profits.

I get that people like the marketed idea of a V8 but reality is for 95% of all Mopar if you put a plastic cover on the i6 that said Hemi V8 they would say it is the best thing since sliced bread.
 
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I've got a nice GM V8 in my garage right now. Yes, it's a C8 Corvette. Ford has V8's in the Mustang. Chevy has a new Camaro in the works from what I hear. Do you not think it won't have a V8 too?
Chevy and Ford both offer V8's in their half ton pickups. Those are big sellers. Not all they sell will have a V8, but it is available and many will pony up for one.
My point is that releasing a legendary car such as the Charger, with retro looks, and it not having a V8 and that V8 sound is not a good plan. They have no halo car to speak of anymore. Americans still want their V8's. It's a shame that some investment dollars didn't go into making some smaller v8's that met the current emissions requirements. Daimler, Fiat and now Stellantis have taken a lot of profit from the North American market via the old Chrysler brands. I wish we could get something in return.
I fully understand how we got into this predicament. It's just sad to see my favorite car brands dwindling away. The NA auto market is extremely competitive and difficult. Also, I think Ford has the most loyal fan base of any manufacturer. They could put a 2 cylinder motor in an F150 and people would buy it. SMH
 
Camaro at this moment is a EV, like nearly all new and future GM cars.
 
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They still need a V8 for the 2500/3500 trucks, the 6.4 is still there but could use an update against the GM 6.6 and Ford 7.3/6.8. Thats what could again do double duty in the charger
 
Mopar426 said:
They still need a V8 for the 2500/3500 trucks, the 6.4 is still there but could use an update against the GM 6.6 and Ford 7.3/6.8. Thats what could again do double duty in the charger
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Any V8 would need to be better than the HO Sixpack and the 6.4 ain’t it. Any update would need to distance the V8 from the HO so a halo trim like a Hellcat. I just don’t see them ditching the Sixpack’s for a V8.
 
They can.
It doesn’t need to be a big displacement.
4 liter or so with a twin turbo can achieve more than 700hp.
ZR1 is an example and so are the Europeans
 
Mopar392 said:
They can.
It doesn’t need to be a big displacement.
4 liter or so with a twin turbo can achieve more than 700hp.
ZR1 is an example and so are the Europeans
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I agree with your scenario but sounds like what I said - a V8 will be a halo trim like a Hellcat. They’d still need the Hurricanes for the lower trims/lower power levels. TK’s garage is quoting sources that there will be a $27,999 base model Charger and if true they’d need an entry power train as well.
 
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A 4.0L TT would also have to work in the HD trucks and its unlikely you'd see that. They go big NA for a reason. Imagine a uHaul truck with a twin turbo 4.0L V8 that has 400hp and 550lbft lol (Ford de-rated the 7.3 down to 325hp in those cases, most need to live with anyone behind the wheel) Easiest for Mopar would be to put a 4" crank in the 6.4 block and make a 7.0L NA for the trucks and a boosted SRT 426 Hemi for the cars - 850hp base trim, then they can go hog wild from there with other models over 1000hp
 
TK's Garage is now saying the 5.7 is the motor that can be added to the new Charger with minimal effort. If true, maybe that could work as a RWD only budget performance model slotted under the SO Hurricane? Looking forward to seeing what the insiders here are hearing.
 
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