Charger Daytona delayed? Prototypes supposedly failing.

[Jared B]

Good point on the 5.7. Everything you've said is the most reasonable assessment of the situation but, as you also said, they are in a horrible spot business-wise and as the saying goes - desperate times call for desperate measures. The Hurricanes are unproven whereas the Hemi is - and the demand is there. Having a halo-Hemi like a new Hellcat in a few years could help with credibility.

I agree, a range-topping forced induction V8 is needed as an aspirational/halo car, and would have a trickle-down effect of selling more lower trim vehicles as well, Just like when the Hellcat came out in 2015.

 

[Jeeper1961]

Lots of problems - right from an anonymous employee in Windsor

This is really sad news. Things are much worse than I imagined. It's going to take a lot to salvage this company going forward.

 

[TripleT]

Watch it, click it, give him a comment so he can have money...

 

[Mopar426]

Watch it, click it, give him a comment so he can have money...

Yeah lets just ignore it

Dash to door stitching an inch apart and issues with the air bags among the mechanical reasons they're all still sitting in a holding yard still. Laying off all the domestic engineers making $150K for ones from Brazil for $50,000. Gee, I wonder why the thing doesnt run.

 

[TripleT]

This is completely unique to Mopar on startups …… time to panic and watch more of his videos

Do the integration engineers on the line speak Portuguese? Did Canada give them work Visas?

 

[Mopar426]

I dont know? Maybe IT IS the language barrier why a thousand of them are sitting in a holding yard unable to be sold because they dont run. Off to a great start, for a flop car that they are well aware will flop lol

Lets face it, they stupidly went all in on EV a few years ago and this is the result. Tim K was involved, not the proponent - but he indeed ran away fast when this was starting to fall apart. His legacy went from 1025hp Demon to fake EV exhaust "sound like a dodge", I'd bail too.

 

[TripleT]

I dont know? Maybe IT IS the language barrier why a thousand of them are sitting in a holding yard unable to be sold because they dont run. Off to a great start, for a flop car that they are well aware will flop lol

Lets face it, they stupidly went all in on EV a few years ago and this is the result. Tim K was involved, not the proponent - but he indeed ran away fast when this was starting to fall apart. His legacy went from 1025hp Demon to fake EV exhaust "sound like a dodge", I'd bail too.

Absolutely unique and uncommon at startup of a from scratch new vehicle, never seen this sort of thing at any other OEM ever not one. So insightful. That parking lot of Explorers was just for fun... or name any other new start up. When they said they weren't shipping until they were perfect that was just because it was so messed up that they couldn't.

Sure Tim had so much experience with new vehicles on his watch not just new powertrain.

And for sure all the local line engineers at Brampton are all speaking Portuguese, Hindi, and Chinese is why they didn't get the launch perfect. No Canadians or Americans work at a local plants

It not like what is essentially another version of the same vehicle with different Coachwork is about to be shipped.

Yes they should give up and shut the whole thing down. Especially the dealerships in CARB states, you don't need to sell to half the US population.

Sky is literally falling.

 

[James.A]

Absolutely unique and uncommon at startup of a from scratch new vehicle, never seen this sort of thing at any other OEM ever not one. So insightful. That parking lot of Explorers was just for fun... or name any other new start up. When they said they weren't shipping until they were perfect that was just because it was so messed up that they couldn't.

Sure Tim had so much experience with new vehicles on his watch not just new powertrain.

And for sure all the local line engineers at Brampton are all speaking Portuguese, Hindi, and Chinese is why they didn't get the launch perfect. No Canadians or Americans work at a local plants

It not like what is essentially another version of the same vehicle with different Coachwork is about to be shipped.

Yes they should give up and shut the whole thing down. Especially the dealerships in CARB states, you don't need to sell to half the US population.

Sky is literally falling.

The gaslighting isn't working and the issues are in plain sight now. This thing was supposed to be out 6 months ago and if they're lucky the car will be "available" the last week or so of 2024. It's a humiliating mess and you're doing your credibility no favors by making these poor arguments. They've had a decade to get this done right and have failed. This is one of the reasons I don't doubt the rumor of V8 talks and testing - they need a life line.

Edit: And 0% financing isn't going to save this.

 

[Mopar426]

They have issues at launch, each charger has, but the whole EV thing has clearly been too complex and too fast for them to handle - if that car goes out and doesnt work, burns down garages/houses etc its a multi billion dollar mess they can't afford to fix. The fact they're being held shows that an adult has shown up and is trying to get a handle on things. I would not be surprised at all if the EV program gets scrapped and the I6 and new supercharged 426 hemi is being fast tracked to save the day - and the company

 

[Mopar392]

Everyone changed their plan and came to realization a full EV product is bound to fail.
If Stellantis and any other individual think otherwise, they are fooling themselves.

 

[TripleT]

Everyone changed their plan and came to realization a full EV product is bound to fail.
If Stellantis and any other individual think otherwise, they are fooling themselves.

Both in Europe and in the CARB states it is regulatory. Unless these regulators change their minds OEMs have NO CHOICE. The Math isn't that hard. Toyota and Honda... and Koreans. Also the Chinese are pivoting toward HEVs. This allows them on the same line to produce both.

STLA seems to be taking a similar approach by not using Skateboards but EV power that looks more similar to a ICE drivetrain. Giving them Tri-power options.

While you are absolutely correct the Consumer is NOT on board with EV except in China which has installed the infrastructure and has $12K options the regulators don't really care if Automotive companies fail, Look at Europe right now. They are perfectly fine with this and forcing people to public transport.

OEMs are not fooling themselves every single one of them complained about even sued over the mandates, even Tesla complained about the mandates, imagine that.

To do business they in those municipalities the must comply..... think this is fantasy. Literally in 6 weeeks half the CARB states it will be illegal to sale or register a new RV.

 

[redriderbob]

Why do they need a European partner to suck them dry? And side note - where has Mr Gilles been in all of this - silent and weak or waiting for a pension, he certainly doesn't care about the future

I have a feeling Ralph will be retiring from the company within the next year.

 

[Mopar426]

I have a feeling Ralph will be retiring from the company within the next year.

I am shocked he's still there and not just for the current climate, the design language is supposed to change every so often and they are way overdue for a big change in design language. Tom Gale era, the forgettable guy that made all the cars ugly roblox trash in the mid 2000's, then Ralph. Realistically he should have been replaced 10 years ago (in a non bankruptcy world)

 

[TripleT]

I have a feeling Ralph will be retiring from the company within the next year.

I would have thought he had the same retention contract as the others, unless he got one that is self renewing on Calendar years as an asset they wanted to retain. He would be giving up big bucks not to stay.

 

[patfromigh]

Both in Europe and in the CARB states it is regulatory. Unless these regulators change their minds OEMs have NO CHOICE. The Math isn't that hard. Toyota and Honda... and Koreans. Also the Chinese are pivoting toward HEVs. This allows them on the same line to produce both.

STLA seems to be taking a similar approach by not using Skateboards but EV power that looks more similar to a ICE drivetrain. Giving them Tri-power options.

While you are absolutely correct the Consumer is NOT on board with EV except in China which has installed the infrastructure and has $12K options the regulators don't really care if Automotive companies fail, Look at Europe right now. They are perfectly fine with this and forcing people to public transport.

OEMs are not fooling themselves every single one of them complained about even sued over the mandates, even Tesla complained about the mandates, imagine that.

To do business they in those municipalities the must comply..... think this is fantasy. Literally in 6 weeeks half the CARB states it will be illegal to sale or register a new RV.

I've now experienced a number of different BEVs. I don't agree with the sentiment once one drives an EV they won't go back to an IC vehicle. Some of them offer a truly horrendous driving experience with unpredictable mechanical behavior, combined with hideous driver interfaces. We have EVs in our rental fleet because enough of our customer base wants to rent one.

There is another reason rental fleets offer fully electric cars. If one looks at the election map from this last election they will notice blue blotches in very red areas. These are major metropolitan areas. Municipalities are able to establish low and zero emissions zones. Cities in other countries have done this and some US cities have threatened to do so here. Major airports are often run by the local municipal government. There is an influence built into airport operations by the FAA and Homeland Security, but the federal agencies have no say on parking rates or lease agreements. The rental car companies very rarely own any space in and adjacent to an airport. They might have a large facility nearby or across a major highway, but for access to the airport facility itself a lease agreement is required for things such as counter space, shuttle bus access, and parking spaces. A local or regional government can place in a lease agreement that a certain percent of the rental car brand's fleet be BEVs. Hertz may have lost their shirts with EVs and sold a bunch of at a loss, but they haven't gotten rid of all of them. All major rental fleets offer EVs, despite the monetary losses, because we have to.

 

[TripleT]

many here to choose to ignore the regulatory realities and lay them at the feet of OEMs the OEM we follow the most here is STLA... but VW, Ford, Nissan, you name it are getting hammered from a business perspective.

In the end the regulators are fine with these evil oil peddlers taking on the Chin to force people to public transports.

EV mandates are 10 years ahead. HEV is the interim solution until Solid state batteries and fusion are on board.

 

[scatpack_69]

Can’t force to what doesn’t exist. There is no public transport for the vast majority of the country. So that theory is out the window.

Fusion on board? Ok