Charger Daytona delayed? Prototypes supposedly failing.

[Mopar426]

Gen2 garage did a fair review of it

Since 2005 the Charger has always been hated when a new one debuts. I didn't even like the 2012-2014 SRT but later bought one. They just need to refine this, the car looks fine

 

[scatpack_69]

First of all, The Daytona is wider than the tacked-on fender flare "wide body" of the previous gen - I'd say that makes the new car a wide body. You only need to see Bob's photo above to note that the new gen is a wide body. The goons even did a photoshop with the tacked-on flares - they were clearly unaware of how wide the car is which is unacceptable IMO.

Ok, you have STILL failed to address the question, you keep bitching about the review yet offer nothing other than “they didn’t say it was a wide body”. I’d venture to bet they’ve seen more Daytonas in person….yeah they don’t know how wide the car is. They drove one, you haven’t.

Be realistic guy. You don’t actually have any complaint yet for some reason one of the best review channels on the entire internet offended you, yet you can’t point to why. Craziness man

 

[Mopar426]

Regardless how wide the car is, they come stock with 305's front and 325's rear, with no flares. The previous gen wide bodies added the flares so could run 305's. If they add flares to this car, which I assume they will, means it'll fit monster meats under it. This was all built in at the design stage, which makes sense when they said they disbanded the SRT team so they could be involved at the get go and not after the fact like they use to be.

 

[James.A]

Regardless how wide the car is, they come stock with 305's front and 325's rear, with no flares. The previous gen wide bodies added the flares so could run 305's. If they add flares to this car, which I assume they will, means it'll fit monster meats under it. This was all built in at the design stage, which makes sense when they said they disbanded the SRT team so they could be involved at the get go and not after the fact like they use to be.

In a discussion of whether the car is a wide body or not you say this "Regardless of how wide the car is"... LOL OK. FYI The flares are build into the body work - not a tacked on after thought. It's a wide body.

 

[James.A]

Ok, you have STILL failed to address the question, you keep bitching about the review yet offer nothing other than “they didn’t say it was a wide body”. I’d venture to bet they’ve seen more Daytonas in person….yeah they don’t know how wide the car is. They drove one, you haven’t.

Be realistic guy. You don’t actually have any complaint yet for some reason one of the best review channels on the entire internet offended you, yet you can’t point to why. Craziness man

I gave an example and the facts to back it up. Watch the plethora of other reviews as I did and compare what TH complained about to what the majority of other reviewers said - it'll be clear that they were just bitching about it being an EV (they also say as much at the end). Have you driven it? If not then you have no basis to negate my assessment of the reviews either. There's a reason why TK can only cite 2 reviews to bash the thing - most of the reviews were good to his disappointment.

 

[cygnus]

EVs will always be compared to other EVs via tech specs. It is an immutable part of a vehicle being an EV. It's like comparing a eukaryotic cell (V8) vs a prokaryotic cell (EV). Or an Apple Watch based on TSCM's N3E process node vs a Rolex.

If you are going to build an EV, you have to compete on specs. This guy summed it up perfectly @ 29m04s -

At its current prices (above $50K) this thing is DOA. It will never be sold for less than $50K, so the entire program is DOA. I don't know if they can get the RWD version out at Model 3 pricing, or even close to it, but I doubt it.

 

[Bili]

EVs will always be compared to other EVs via tech specs. It is an immutable part of a vehicle being an EV. It's like comparing a eukaryotic cell (V8) vs a prokaryotic cell (EV). Or an Apple Watch based on TSCM's N3E process node vs a Rolex.

If you are going to build an EV, you have to compete on specs. This guy summed it up perfectly @ 29m04s -

At its current prices (above $50K) this thing is DOA. It will never be sold for less than $50K, so the entire program is DOA. I don't know if they can get the RWD version out at Model 3 pricing, or even close to it, but I doubt it.

Model 3? This car is way bigger.

 

[TripleT]

yeah isn't bigger than a S.... lets look it up.

he dimensions of the Tesla Model S are as follows:

• Length: 196.0 inches (4978 mm)1
• Width: 77.3 inches (1963 mm)1
• Height: 56.5 inches (1435 mm)1
• Wheelbase: 9.67 feet (116.5 inches or 296 cm)2
• Curb weight: 4769.04 lb (2163.2 kg)1

Yeah

 

[James.A]

EVs will always be compared to other EVs via tech specs. It is an immutable part of a vehicle being an EV. It's like comparing a eukaryotic cell (V8) vs a prokaryotic cell (EV). Or an Apple Watch based on TSCM's N3E process node vs a Rolex.

If you are going to build an EV, you have to compete on specs. This guy summed it up perfectly @ 29m04s -

At its current prices (above $50K) this thing is DOA. It will never be sold for less than $50K, so the entire program is DOA. I don't know if they can get the RWD version out at Model 3 pricing, or even close to it, but I doubt it.

As a watch collector I can tell you that nobody is comparing Rolex to an Apple Watch or cross shopping - two different products that do not compete with each other. However they are comparing like products e.g. Rolex Sub vs Omega SMP. If you want a small hot hatch box on wheels you won't likely seriously cross shop a Charger. Maybe glance, but not compete. If there is data on this I'd like to see it. My Brother in law just bought a Ionic 6. He cross shopped with Tesla model 3 - not model s or Y or Cyber truck because he was looking for something in the size of the Ionic 6. Sorry but if you're looking at an Ionic 5 you're not likely cross shopping a Charger.

 

[Bili]

For entry level BEV from STLA... A lot will depend of LFP battery adoption.

So far only LFP cars by Stellantis are on STLA smart car platform. Entry level low cost cars. A s they have a very low battery capacity.

 

[cygnus]

Slice and dice it however you want - this thing is DOA. Have you been reading the comments on the Ramcharger? People are interested in series hybrids. EVs are palatable to the hemi crowd, provided the flexibility of having a generator + gas tank comes along for the ride.

 

[scatpack_69]

I gave an example and the facts to back it up. Watch the plethora of other reviews as I did and compare what TH complained about to what the majority of other reviewers said - it'll be clear that they were just bitching about it being an EV (they also say as much at the end). Have you driven it? If not then you have no basis to negate my assessment of the reviews either. There's a reason why TK can only cite 2 reviews to bash the thing - most of the reviews were good to his disappointment.

*blink blink*

You’ve provided nothing. You’re pissed they realize what the entire industry realizes, and that’s EV’s are dead. Game over. There’s no future. They literally said wait for the gas version. Which true car guys can get behind, albeit with valid complaints of no V8

You’ve provided absolutely nothing. They’re right. You’re wrong. That’s a fact. The sales numbers on the electric version are going to be pathetic. And you’re mad at them for saying so….

Dumb

 

[James.A]

*blink blink*

You’ve provided nothing. You’re pissed they realize what the entire industry realizes, and that’s EV’s are dead. Game over. There’s no future. They literally said wait for the gas version. Which true car guys can get behind, albeit with valid complaints of no V8

You’ve provided absolutely nothing. They’re right. You’re wrong. That’s a fact. The sales numbers on the electric version are going to be pathetic. And you’re mad at them for saying so….

Dumb

EV's certainly are not dead and as the tech continues to improve and prices come down they are still very likely the future - CARB regs and that states that follow them are unlikely to change meaningfully and four years from now there are no guarantees that regs won't return to as they are now or worse. LOL "real car guys" - the same one's that though only carbureted engines were "real" cars and muscle cars had to be 2-doors only? If I had a dime for every "real car guy" argument I've heard since the Charger was reborn twenty years ago that didn't last I'd be able to buy CJDR. Real car guys get behind cars, period.

TH snarked about the car not having a transmission (not sure why that matters), being too big and being a boat like the previous ICE gen (Yet they want the Hurricane version which will still be a boat like the previous gen), they complained the car doesn't handle well which is observably untrue from watching other reviews (nearly everyone mentioned how well the car handled even when noting the weight), the car needing to be a wide body (when it already is one), not liking the idea of a multi energy platform without any tangible reason why, and at the end they summed up my point - just do a gas version because they don't like it being an EV. You can literally do the leg work yourself and verify all this but you're an EV hater and would rather the company fail then make an EV version of the car even when you're getting ICE anyway.

 

[James.A]

Slice and dice it however you want - this thing is DOA. Have you been reading the comments on the Ramcharger? People are interested in series hybrids. EVs are palatable to the hemi crowd, provided the flexibility of having a generator + gas tank comes along for the ride.

If it's DOA its not because of the Ionic 6. The Scat Pack might be DOA because of price but I'm not sure the RT is. For what you get the RT could sell at the price and I think that discounts or a price drop will certainly help - I think discounts are inevitable. I agree on the Ramcharger - its cool and I'd like a 4xe Charger, Ramcharger style or otherwise. We'll see what we get.

 

[scatpack_69]

EV is 100% dead. There’s no future. When no one buys, you go belly up. 2008/9 is calling….

Yup, real car guys. Guys that like to work on and modify their rides….none of which is possible with EV’s. Instead of posting like a dunce James, maybe wake up. Your attempts to downplay my statements have failed, miserably, but hey, I bet you won’t stop. I’m game buddy

I’m also not anti-EV. While nothing out there available remotely draws my eye, there’s one model on the horizon that I’m interested in: Ramcharger. If the price is….well it’s going to be expensive, but I’m interested. When they do a version in Ram 3500 dually with a Cummins genset for example, it’s game over for the typical diesel pickup. Assuming the electronics and battery pack doesn’t fall short. And that’s a big assumption….

The car is 1000 pounds heavier than previous model, yes that’s a valid complaint and NO the thing doesn’t handle well! It’s valid criticism and you’re sitting here crying about stone cold facts. In the realm of 5000+ lb vehicles it may handle ok, but that’s only because lower center of gravity and not because it’s a sports car. Wake up. It’s also not the wide body we’ve known, yet another of your invalid complaints. Period.

I will remind you little Jimmy, sales numbers will absolutely prove this. The Daytona, in this configuration, likely won’t last a life cycle. The gas version will, and will continue into the next generation.

Full BEV is dead. Dead. Read that word and weep, DEAD. In the meantime, make sure your “complaints” have an ounce of credibility. You never know when an assh**e like me will call you out and punch holes in your bogus narrative.

 

[James.A]

EV is 100% dead. There’s no future. When no one buys, you go belly up. 2008/9 is calling….

Yup, real car guys. Guys that like to work on and modify their rides….none of which is possible with EV’s. Instead of posting like a dunce James, maybe wake up. Your attempts to downplay my statements have failed, miserably, but hey, I bet you won’t stop. I’m game buddy

I’m also not anti-EV. While nothing out there available remotely draws my eye, there’s one model on the horizon that I’m interested in: Ramcharger. If the price is….well it’s going to be expensive, but I’m interested. When they do a version in Ram 3500 dually with a Cummins genset for example, it’s game over for the typical diesel pickup. Assuming the electronics and battery pack doesn’t fall short. And that’s a big assumption….

The car is 1000 pounds heavier than previous model, yes that’s a valid complaint and NO the thing doesn’t handle well! It’s valid criticism and you’re sitting here crying about stone cold facts. In the realm of 5000+ lb vehicles it may handle ok, but that’s only because lower center of gravity and not because it’s a sports car. Wake up. It’s also not the wide body we’ve known, yet another of your invalid complaints. Period.

I will remind you little Jimmy, sales numbers will absolutely prove this. The Daytona, in this configuration, likely won’t last a life cycle. The gas version will, and will continue into the next generation.

Full BEV is dead. Dead. Read that word and weep, DEAD. In the meantime, make sure your “complaints” have an ounce of credibility. You never know when an assh**e like me will call you out and punch holes in your bogus narrative.

Elon Musk bought into Trump on the dip because EV’s are dead? Not a chance. They are the future whether we like it or not. Look at the convo here - if not EV then hybrid where the motor doesn’t power the wheels but rather a battery. In the long term electrification is future one way or another.

 

[patfromigh]

Something has to give. Either the automakers go out of business being forced to sell products people don't want, or the zero emissions mandates are eliminated. Despite the glut of government regulations, I can't find any laws requiring battery electric vehicles to have road crushing weight.

Even Elon Musk is against these zero emissions mandates. The only people that want them are blue state politicians.

 

[Mopar426]

In a discussion of whether the car is a wide body or not you say this "Regardless of how wide the car is"... LOL OK. FYI The flares are build into the body work - not a tacked on after thought. It's a wide body.

Yes, regardless how wide the car is. If I mini-tub my car to fit bigger tires it doesnt turn into a wide body lol

 

[James.A]

Yes, regardless how wide the car is. If I mini-tub my car to fit bigger tires it doesnt turn into a wide body lol

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Correct - your car isn't a wide body. The new Charger is a wide body- as noted by many reviewers and Bob here on the forum. Please see his recent image of the new protruding wide body fenders on the Daytona.

 

[Mopar426]

Correct - your car isn't a wide body. The new Charger is a wide body- as noted by many reviewers and Bob here on the forum. Please see his recent image of the new protruding wide body fenders on the Daytona.

You know this is coming, with probably 355's out back - or not, the flares look cheesy on the new charger