Charger Daytona delayed? Prototypes supposedly failing.

[cygnus]

Absolutely not true.

GM sells the #2 most purchased vehicle in the nation which is the full size pickup and a HUGE majority of those have V8 engines. In addition to that they sell Tahoe which is the #1 full size SUV in America....mostly with V8s. They sell Corvettes with cross-plane and without cross-plane V8s. They sold Camaro with V8s until just this year. They sell almost NO electric vehicles, and their CEO stated publicly last year that the road to full
electrification was “not going to be profitable”.

As far as Ram goes… I guess you haven’t noticed that last year they were the ONLY company selling trucks in the U.S. that showed losses year over year? And you haven’t noticed that for the first quarter of this year they showed the largest sales losses of any brand? And what about the Dodge cars that WERE #1 in the segment until they officially announced no more V8s and now dealers are begging to give them away at $20k off sticker? Did you notice that? How did they go from #2 in trucks and winning Truck of the Year in consecutive years to what we see today? And how did the most popular muscle car in the segment immediately fall off a cliff? Well, it's because American buyers care about what's under the hood.

You can try and act like the loss of the V8 engine is not a big deal, but you are simply not correct and the sales numbers are already proving it and will continue to prove it as Ford and GM go back to dominating Ram/Dodge like it’s the 1980s all over again.

AMEN

 

[scatpack_69]

Don't you know that the "great" European make BMW doesn't include oil dipsticks! And how many transmissions out there from ALL manufactures don't have dipsticks. Your point is pointless.

Out of that, the f’kin dipstick is what got you? My god guy, get a grip. That wasn’t a gripe, it was a point made that I was unaware of until literally this week.

Settle down nancy, your jab at me was utterly useless

 

[scatpack_69]

What's the break-down of numbers on the GM 1500 sales. How many are 4 cylinders?

You tell me.

When you go to a lot and it’s a 1:20 ratio of 4 to V8, well this isn’t rocket science is it

 

[ChargerFan1]

Out of that, the f’kin dipstick is what got you? My god guy, get a grip. That wasn’t a gripe, it was a point made that I was unaware of until literally this week.

Settle down nancy, your jab at me was utterly useless

Would you please STFU, you're like an emotional tampon in here

 

[WXman]

Don't you know that the "great" European make BMW doesn't include oil dipsticks! And how many transmissions out there from ALL manufactures don't have dipsticks. Your point is pointless.

"Great" and "European" do not go together in the same sentence. And BMW is the worst of the worst. I haven't had a BMW or MINI vehicle in my lifetime that was worth pissing on if it were on fire, and the wife against my advice bought a 2024 last year and surprise surprise, it's already got a recall notice. I wouldn't hire a European company to design a dog house, much less a vehicle.

And transmissions do have dipsticks, even if they are small ones mounted on the case near the pan. But, that's not a good comparison because nobody changes trans fluid every 10k miles, do they?

 

[WXman]

It's nearly November. WHEN are they actually going to price and start selling the new Charger? This is getting ridiculous. They've been talking about it for 3 years and advertising it for 2. What is going on?

 

[James.A]

It's nearly November. WHEN are they actually going to price and start selling the new Charger? This is getting ridiculous. They've been talking about it for 3 years and advertising it for 2. What is going on?

Great question. Called my local Dodge dealer to ask if/when they'd have a Charger in the showroom to come check out. The sales rep told me it would be about another 4 MONTHS before they had anything in the show room but they're taking orders now. Is it me or is this roll out feeling more like a mess? (Moved this comment from a different thread)

 

[Mopar426]

I know in Canada they are only going to be selling them in BC and Quebec initially, because they have the highest gov't rebates there. The roll out is being extremely cautious IMO

 

[TripleT]

After Jeep is taking it on the Chin for Samsungs screwup .... I understand the caution.

 

[cgseller]

Would you rather have A) in your hands now and in the dealership tomorrow or B) in your hands in four months and behind the wheel for each day thereafter...

 

[James.A]

Would you rather have A) in your hands now and in the dealership tomorrow or B) in your hands in four months and behind the wheel for each day thereafter...

A next-gen Charger is easily 5 years too late at this point and on top of that, it was revealed 8 months ago with a late 2024 availability which they have FAILED to deliver. Your assumption that another four months will guarantee a car that won’t need to go back to the dealership is based on thin air. This launch is a disaster, they have only themselves to blame and lord knows what S-show awaits us with the Sixpack launch.

 

[WXman]

Yes ^^^^ and I'll add to that with the way they started advertising and talking about this car THREE YEARS ago. It has taken them absolutely forever to get this thing to market and here we are 7 weeks from the end of 2024 and still don't have a single one at a dealership. It's ridiculous. This company has had nothing but failed and delayed product launches for the last 10 years.

And the sad reality is that even if they tweaked this car for the next 6 months, it's still going to be a car that is riddled with problems in the first two or three model years because it's an all new car AND the first EV in the segment from a domestic automaker. Combine that with the union issues, management turn-over, etc. and the new Charger has disaster written all over it.

They should have brought the Six Pack to market this calendar year so they could get more of these cars into owners garages. That would have ignited better interest in the car and it would have given them a better dataset of problems to correct quickly with the car itself before adding an entirely new power source to it for production. Tackle one issue at a time....

Edit: I just noticed after the fact that redriderbob posted an article with these exact thoughts. I guess great minds think alike!

 

[TripleT]

I bet everyone there would have been no production gap... had they not had a fiscal pause for the merger, combined with the platform unification. No one anywhere thinks this size gap was a good idea,

 

[scatpack_69]

A next-gen Charger is easily 5 years too late at this point and on top of that, it was revealed 8 months ago with a late 2024 availability which they have FAILED to deliver. Your assumption that another four months will guarantee a car that won’t need to go back to the dealership is based on thin air. This launch is a disaster, they have only themselves to blame and lord knows what S-show awaits us with the Sixpack launch.

This has been a massive, massive failure. And for minimal sales, crazy.

 

[Mopar426]

Its a (dying liberal) gov't mandate car - not what anyone asked for. Soon the leftists will be a stain on history books but Dodge has to survive this - but all the brainpower quit. HUGE mess to clean up. And what are they doing about 4x4's? The Wrangler is getting slaughtered by the new Bronco - and wait until the new Cruiser and Scout lay attack. Both look way better. Their EV Jeep is ugly and dumb. A new / retro Ramcharger would have been the perfect answer. V6, 5.7, 6.4

Just saw one, lifted - more presence than Bronco.

I seriously think Musk is going to be put in charge of fixing this - he'll take over, fix it or oversee a management team that will and then make sure it ends up in the right hands. Trump wont let it die

 

[Mike201]

Does anyone else think that Tuesdays US Presidential election has anything to do with this? I wonder…..

 

[redriderbob]

Dodge Accelerates Launch Of Charger SIXPACK Models​

Sources Say Dodge Prioritizing ICE Charger Models Amid Demand...​

In an interesting turn of events, Dodge is reportedly accelerating the release of its upcoming Charger SIXPACK internal combustion engine (ICE) models, with production beginning five months ahead of schedule. Originally planned for a late-2025 debut, these ICE models are now expected to reach dealerships by early summer 2025.

Dodge Accelerates Launch Of Charger SIXPACK Models

In an interesting turn of events, Dodge is reportedly accelerating the release of its upcoming Charger SIXPACK internal combustion engine (ICE) models, with production beginning five months ahead of schedule. Originally planned for a late-2025 debut, these ICE models are now expected to reach...

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[bill burke]

The Charger Daytona's biggest problem will be marketing. There is an old adage in the auto business, "You can sell a young man's car to an old man, but you can't sell an old man's car to a young man. I was reminded of this when I was talking to a couple of college kids we have as summer hires. Friday they were tending the charging stations when I brought in our Mustang Mock-e to get juiced up. They asked me what I thought of it and EVs in general. I said it's fine for small city cars, but cars like the Mock-e are a waste of resources. In the course of conversation they let me know they don't like large EVs because they are much too expensive and weigh too much. Young people, in general, see vehicles like the Mustang Mock-e and Charger Daytona as an old man's car, because there is a senile old man pushing these impractical EVs on everybody. It doesn't help the cause either that John Kerry, the former climate czar, is only a few years behind Joe in age. Two old men pushing their agenda on everybody, telling us what to drive. Gas fueled econoboxes are disappearing from the market and Joe slaps a massive tariff on the cheap Chinese EVs, which could have replaced them. Many young people just don't identify with electric cars like the Charger Daytona. They see such vehicles as the result of corporate executives bowing to the dictates of an angry, pontificating old man with dementia.

Will the Charger Daytona at least sell to old men? Of course not, we remember all the classic muscle cars from the past and know that a three ton lump slightly larger than a Camry just doesn't measure up, no matter how brief its 0 to 60 time is.

The solution is so easy, get a next generation V-8 in these things and Rams and Jeeps and future Chrysler luxury vehicles ASAP. Hard for a committed elite WOKE devotee to admit they were completely wrong and these red neck American consumers were right. Your not smart, you may be accomplished at psycho babble talking points but on-common sense and real world leadership skills your a first rate loser
Get those V-8 Cars to America, you blew it big time Carlos, your no genius.

 

[redriderbob]

SPOTTED: 2025 Dodge Charger SIXPACK H/O Coupe​

Dodge's New Twin-Turbo Two-Door Muscle Car Has Been Spotted In The Real World...​

Yesterday, we reported that Dodge is pushing up the launch schedule for its 2025 Dodge Charger SIXPACK models by five months. Today, thanks to TikTok user @drkklm, we’ve got a sneak peek at one of these highly anticipated Charger SIXPACK Coupes out in the real world, photographed parked in a driveway in Metro Detroit.

SPOTTED: 2025 Dodge Charger SIXPACK H/O Coupe

Yesterday, we reported that Dodge is pushing up the launch schedule for its 2025 Dodge Charger SIXPACK models by five months. Today, thanks to TikTok user @drkklm, we’ve got a sneak peek at one of these highly anticipated Charger SIXPACK Coupes out in the real world, photographed parked in a...

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[plymouth1]

Better start fast tracking V8 engines again. America has a new way of life again and it's going to be much better than the last four years