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Do they even have a 300+HP turbo 4cyl they could replace the pentastar with? Built locally and not from Europe?
 
Kokomo …. Isn’t not Europe 330 is what i hear and already had more torque
 
The V8 made for a trickle down effect - they were accessible to many but created the hype that drive V6 sales. They need something with a V8. Considering that this new car is heavier than the outgoing I don't think a 4 cylinder is the answer. At minimum the Pentastar. But honestly I think the Ram route is the way to go - option in the 5.7 and sell cars.
 
Does this mean that the 5.7 Hemi engine was more reliable with less maintenance than the 6.4 engine in the later Challengers from 2020 to 2023?
 
Mopar426 said:
Cheaper to buy, run and maintain.
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sO it appears to be a pecking order here in general. I have always understood that it is best to stick with the base engine/model of vehicle if you want reliability and the least amount of problems. It is like the more options you have the more problems you will have down the road (if you are one of those car owner's that hang onto your vehicle for 10 to 30 years. It is those options that are the first thing to break.
Most people today appear to lease these cars and keep them for 36 months or less so they don't see the light at the end of tunnel and then say to themselves that the car was very RELIABLE. Then why did they get rid of it?:ROFLMAO::LOL:

I remember back in the day when some people used to buy a new car every year with the reasoning in fear of having problems with the current car so they would turn in the car for a new one. They didn't have or push leasing back then like today.
 
When I personally look for an engine that will be reliable long term and easy to keep going when problems do arise, it has to meet these criteria:

- NOT engineered or designed in Europe
- Sells in large volume so that aftermarket companies have reason to keep making parts and those parts will also be inexpensive
- Produces enough power that it doesn't have to run high RPMs (above 4,000) all the time to move the vehicle around
- Provides a layout that is easy to work on in the garage at home, and the space underhood to accomplish that work
- Has been on the market for many years so that a true idea of track record can be arrived at

The Hemi 5.7L checks all those boxes.

The Pentastar 3.6L comes close to checking them.

No other engine in Stellantis' entire portfolio does.

Edit: I of course would put the 6.4L in the same boat as the 5.7L since they are so similar.
 
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scatpack_69 said:
6.4 ain’t any more expensive to maintain or run than a 5.7. Mileage isn’t noticeably different unless you’re in the skinny, no more maintenance. 6.4 has a higher buy in but it’s 100% worth it too
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The torque of the 6.4 speaks for itself.👍 Auto insurance will be at the highest premium🤑 on this model. Tires will cost more too.🤑
 
WXman said:
When I personally look for an engine that will be reliable long term and easy to keep going when problems do arise, it has to meet these criteria:

- NOT engineered or designed in Europe
- Sells in large volume so that aftermarket companies have reason to keep making parts and those parts will also be inexpensive
- Produces enough power that it doesn't have to run high RPMs (above 4,000) all the time to move the vehicle around
- Provides a layout that is easy to work on in the garage at home, and the space underhood to accomplish that work
- Has been on the market for many years so that a true idea of track record can be arrived at

The Hemi 5.7L checks all those boxes.

The Pentastar 3.6L comes close to checking them.

No other engine in Stellantis' entire portfolio does.
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I do love the styling of the shaker which can be had in the 5.7 or 6.4 engines.
 
James.A said:
The V8 made for a trickle down effect - they were accessible to many but created the hype that drive V6 sales. They need something with a V8. Considering that this new car is heavier than the outgoing I don't think a 4 cylinder is the answer. At minimum the Pentastar. But honestly I think the Ram route is the way to go - option in the 5.7 and sell cars.
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What I'm reading:
They need a v8 because POWAHHHH .. except that the inline 6 makes more power than the N/A v8's currently. lol -- Nobody is talking about realistically shoving an inline-4 into something as big as a barge (the Charger).
 
suzq044 said:
What I'm reading:
They need a v8 because POWAHHHH .. except that the inline 6 makes more power than the N/A v8's currently. lol -- Nobody is talking about realistically shoving an inline-4 into something as big as a barge (the Charger).
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Very true on this new Charger it is a boat anchor and personally to me it's ugly in style🤢🤮. It also costs a lot more $$$$🤑 to purchase and not worth it anymore. The 2023 last year models were the last ones and in that case it be the Challenger. This new Charger is just too big and ugly-IMO..
 
suzq044 said:
What I'm reading:
They need a v8 because POWAHHHH .. except that the inline 6 makes more power than the N/A v8's currently. lol -- Nobody is talking about realistically shoving an inline-4 into something as big as a barge (the Charger).
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Are you really this dense to not understand that nobody wants all the compression (turbo), cylinder deactivation, and reliability issues associated with this engine?

DURRR I COMPRESSED THE HELL OUT OF EVERYTHING AND ITS FASTER BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND THERMODYNAMICS 101

Go back and join your people at Allpar, tell Dave I said hi and his Boomer takes on powertrain still stuck. Maybe he'll get his Dart/neon revival that he's obsessed with, I'm sure the company will get around to that any day now :ROFLMAO:

The Dream of the 90s Chrysler where 90% of vehicles purchased are FWD sedans is alive at Allpar. Seriously just go buy a Toyota and go away.
 
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scatpack_69 said:
6.4 ain’t any more expensive to maintain or run than a 5.7. Mileage isn’t noticeably different unless you’re in the skinny, no more maintenance. 6.4 has a higher buy in but it’s 100% worth it too
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6.4 requires premium fuel, 5.7 does not. That adds up. I daily drove a 392 for years, it crossed my mind many times how much I would have saved had I just got an R/T. The oil changes were $150, the tires are more expensive and so are Brembo brakes. Insurance was decent but I bet it isnt anymore!
 
VANISHING POINT #1 said:
Very true on this new Charger it is a boat anchor and personally to me it's ugly in style🤢🤮. It also costs a lot more $$$$🤑 to purchase and not worth it anymore. The 2023 last year models were the last ones and in that case it be the Challenger. This new Charger is just too big and ugly-IMO..
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A: has more torque than the V6, pulls around the heavy brick just fine
B: the only reason the past charger was narrow was Brampton, will be lighter minus the battery
 
TripleT said:
A: has more torque than the V6, pulls around the heavy brick just fine
B: the only reason the past charger was narrow was Brampton, will be lighter minus the battery
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We can bring back the Dodge Charger Shelby edition 2.2 engine from 1985?:unsure:
 
I think without the battery it'll still weigh 4500-4700lbs with a hurricane and AWD
 
cygnus said:
Are you really this dense to not understand that nobody wants all the compression (turbo), cylinder deactivation, and reliability issues associated with this engine?

DURRR I COMPRESSED THE HELL OUT OF EVERYTHING AND ITS FASTER BUT I DONT UNDERSTAND THERMODYNAMICS 101

Go back and join your people at Allpar, tell Dave I said hi and his Boomer takes on powertrain still stuck. Maybe he'll get his Dart/neon revival that he's obsessed with, I'm sure the company will get around to that any day now :ROFLMAO:

The Dream of the 90s Chrysler where 90% of vehicles purchased are FWD sedans is alive at Allpar. Seriously just go buy a Toyota and go away.
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If you're done hurling insults like an ego-wounded 15 year old..

I'd actually like to see proof of the issues you're talking about that they're actually COMMON. Not one or two people that have issues where nobody else does. That happens with EVERY vehicle ever made, really - I don't know a single car that has never had engine problems from someone somewhere. The Internet has made problems sound so much more prevalent than they are. People online are very loud about their issues when they have them; but the people that don't have any issues are generally out and driving their cars. The engines haven't been around long enough to have real-use longevity tests, of hundreds of thousands of miles outside of a lab.

Hemi had cylinder deactivation, I don't think the Hurricane does. Google AI gets confused pretty easily. Obviously turbos are expensive to fix, and yeah, some of the turbo fours we've had from the european engines have had premature turbo failures. Americans drive differently and more than half of them don't even know what a turbo is, and almost nobody reads the manual - so.

I get it - you don't like allpar but really .. just f*ck off with the 15yr olds attitude.
 
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