BREAKING: Windsor Will Begin Building A New Electrified Vehicle In 2024:

[Mopar392]

Whether we like it or not, Sales numbers are what prove any business case.

 

[AlexB]

And global mustang sales are what compared to Charger/Challenger sales?

Please do not reference the Europoors and weak Americans with their lame mule and ecofart powertrain here, this is a Patriots in Control forum.

45th POTUS is not an option.
FCA/Stellantis, GM , Toyota went to court with 45th POTUS in an effort to stop State & Locals from making their own vehicle standards.

Problem is 45th POTUS did lose, and by 2025 the state and locals standards wouldn’t be so far off from going into effect.
Simply too late
Plus by 2026, Texas may flip “blue” and indirectly join CA & NY.

 

[AlexB]

Whether we like it or not, Sales numbers are what prove any business case.

Revenue too.

 

[Mopar392]

Revenue too.

Unless you are selling in negative, revenue is achieved.
There are a lot of finance and accounting but this is the basic.

 

[AlexB]

Unless you are selling in negative, revenue is achieved.
There are a lot of finance and accounting but this is the basic.

I should have stated “Quality of Revenue”.
Hence Detroit 3 financial problems in 2000’s.
Yes I know Daimler did a number on poor Mopar which harm the ability of Mopar to handle the challenges that came to Detroit.

 

[cygnus]

45th POTUS is not an option.
FCA/Stellantis, GM , Toyota went to court with 45th POTUS in an effort to stop State & Locals from making their own vehicle standards.

Problem is 45th POTUS did lose, and by 2025 the state and locals standards wouldn’t be so far off from going into effect.
Simply too late
Plus by 2026, Texas may flip “blue” and indirectly join CA & NY.

Not sure if anyone noticed but there is a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court, so when Big T comes back the V8s will roar.

He could also easily withhold federal highway funding if they don’t want to comply - their call.

Texas flipping Democrat is about as likely Latino Catholics converting to Baptists. 1st generation Latinos from Mexico living in Texas far outnumber California transplants.

 

[cygnus]

EBIT profit of $350 million a year is the minimum going rate to get a vehicle program greenlit.

Revenue/volumes are whatever.

 

[AlexB]

Not sure if anyone noticed but there is a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court, so when Big T comes back the V8s will roar.
Not sure if anyone noticed but there is a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court, so when Big T comes back the V8s will roar.

He could also easily withhold federal highway funding if they don’t want to comply - their call.

Texas flipping Democrat is about as likely Latino Catholics converting to Baptists. 1st generation Latinos from Mexico living in Texas far outnumber California transplants.

2018 Texas gubernatorial election - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Current Governor (Republican)
margin 13.3% in 2018
Projected 2022 victory margin for same current Governor:
8%

Emerson/Nexstar poll: Abbott leads O’Rourke by 8 points in Texas governor race

The results come days before the only televised debate both candidates have agreed to participate in, hosted by Nexstar in the Rio Grande Valley on Friday.

www.kxan.com

In a 2026 “blue wave” midterm (if 45th or Florida Governor wins U.S. Presidency) Texas is flippable.

 

[TripleT]

2018 Texas gubernatorial election - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Current Governor (Republican)
margin 13.3% in 2018
Projected 2022 victory margin for same current Governor:
8%

Emerson/Nexstar poll: Abbott leads O’Rourke by 8 points in Texas governor race

The results come days before the only televised debate both candidates have agreed to participate in, hosted by Nexstar in the Rio Grande Valley on Friday.

www.kxan.com

In a 2026 “blue wave” midterm (if 45th or Florida Governor wins U.S. Presidency) Texas is flippable.

No offense but does belong here.... Just saying The point is local highly populated states are mandating a solution and it is forcing that product to be offered no matter how much individuals on this forum hate it. No responsible CEO would abandon half the US market it would be suicide.

 

[Mastertech63]

There are people who will scream blasphemy if there is a four cylinder in a future Challenger or Charger, but a 330hp GME hybrid sounds like a decent setup for entry level.

I remember having a 4 cylinder Charger. Use to scare off the Fox body Mustangs back then! Then I graduated to a 4-door, 4 cyl. turbo (Spirit R/T). Scared the crap out of many people with that car!!! 13.9's and 32 MPG on the way home with the A/C on. AAAAH the good old days

 

[cygnus]

GM abandoning Europe wasn’t such a bad idea in retrospect.

Hell - they haven’t even put a mild hybrid in their current trucks because they’re going to let the foo-, I mean, consumers buy overpriced EVs which will subsidize their existing truck platform.

They just did a MCA of their truck and didn’t touch Powertrain. Soonest they will add mild hybrid to their next 1500 is 2026.

The mall crawler Silverado EV isn’t a real truck. Real trucks can tow.

 

[TripleT]

I remember having a 4 cylinder Charger. Use to scare off the Fox body Mustangs back then! Then I graduated to a 4-door, 4 cyl. turbo (Spirit R/T). Scared the crap out of many people with that car!!! 13.9's and 32 MPG on the way home with the A/C on. AAAAH the good old days

GLHS in both body styles is still one of my favorite mopars, along with Neon SRT4, and Plymouth Laser Turbo.

Hot 4 cylinder cars is not a New to Mopar.... some of the best are.

 

[Mopar392]

Mopar were the forefront of turbocharged cars, before the engineers were forced by Daimler to move to Ford, or at least that is the story of how EcoBoost engines came to be.
We could have in our hand a new age of Mopar turbocharged engines.

 

[cygnus]

Ram has been taking marketshare from Ford for the last five years and the V6 numbers for Ram 1500 are completely insignificant.

 

[cgseller]

Whether we like it or not, Sales numbers are what prove any business case.

Which is often a proxy for sales revenue which is what public traded companies use as their north star

 

[cgseller]

I really get the impression you rather just be critical then to take some positive answer. I get it that is what places like this is for Arm Chair and complain.

Lead, Follow, or get out of the way?
- L. Iacocca
- G. Patton

 

[AlexB]

Which is often a proxy for sales revenue which is what public traded companies use as their north star

Since 2015, FCA/Stellantis is Margin & Average price paid especially in North America.

 

[cygnus]

Since 2015, FCA/Stellantis is Margin & Average price paid especially in North America.

I don’t like the obsession with this these days (it’s gone way overboard), but this is the correct analysis.

 

[TripleT]

Since 2015, FCA/Stellantis is Margin & Average price paid especially in North America.

yes they aren't selling widgets at a few pennies per unit, when you are capacity limited you need to maximize per unit margin. It also prevents going upside down easily in a economic down turn. It may be disappointing for those who were value buyers but it prevents the Feast or Famine cycle that plagued the company for decades going from darling to bankruptcy.

 

[ChargerFan1]

Better question is will people pay $100-120K for a dodge over the kia with similar power for less than half? They have to launch into a new generation with these silly prices which will not be easy on top of axing V8's and switching to EV and turbo 6's.

Dodge is going to take a pretty serious hit with this new stuff IMO and yes they will slash prices when forced to, and they will.