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Next generation charger?

ChargerFan1 said:
You're kidding right?
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Do you actually think they hadn’t started developing these vehicles when they announced the architecture? How quickly do you think vehicles are developed?

You seem to be under the impression that when they announce things, they are starting development from that point. Announcements are usually made mid-development (or near the end).
 
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@Ryan So you are saying the electrical architecture for the next Charger and Challenger was designed and developed since the start of engineering the next generation Charger and Challenger’s architecture, and the architecture was not modified after PSA and Stellantis coming into the picture?
 
Mopar392 said:
@Ryan So you are saying the electrical architecture for the next Charger and Challenger was designed and developed since the start of engineering the next generation Charger and Challenger’s architecture, and the architecture was not modified after PSA and Stellantis coming into the picture?
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No, I’m saying that development work had almost certainly started before they announced the architecture. I don’t know what was modified with PSA input, but very rarely does a company announce something that hasn’t already been in development. And with a 2024 release, the vehicles are not just starting development now.
 
PSA may have brought some expertise regarding design for lower procurement costs, but in terms of technical solutions, the group has no experience of designing large RWD vehicles.

The BEV project now called STLA Large was one of two offshoots of Giorgio. The first, Giorgio Global, has already produced WL Grand Cherokee, and is capable of producing ICE, Hybrid or BEV models, but is optimised for ICE; the second project is longer-term, to design a “BEV matrix architecture” that could produce a family of vehicles without the restrictions imposed by the need for an ICE power train. Maserati is also involved in this BEV project, as it will underpin electric cars from Maserati and (recently confirmed) future Alfa models, but the lead group is in Auburn Hills..

Development of the BEV architecture started at least two years ago, possibly three. 2024 seems credible as a model intro.

But... Charger is more likely to be a Giorgio Global car than a STLA Large one. I saw a document from 2019 where it was listed as a Giorgio Global product, beside WL and the next Maserati QP. It may have been delayed or changed a couple of times, but it was definitely planned at that point.

(I’m using STLA Large to refer to the BEV-only cars and Giorgio Global to refer to ones that will have ICE; that’s only my shorthand, I have no idea how they’re called within Stellantis)
 
I am under the impression that STLA LG was all new. From time of merger to time of EV day that didn't leave any time to fully design any cars for it - all that was out there was a new charger for 2018 that got stuck in perpetual delay jail and I'd like to think they wouldn't use a 2016~ design in 2024. Gilles has also said these new EV plans open up many doors for design that were previously closed for ICE cars further hat tipping to an all new design and not that blob sketch they used on EV day. Also - the two EV cars doing burnouts in their video on EV day, one was a new challenger and one looked like a modern 68/69 charger - that's what I am going with.
 
ChargerFan1 said:
I am under the impression that STLA LG was all new. From time of merger to time of EV day that didn't leave any time to fully design any cars for it - all that was out there was a new charger for 2018 that got stuck in perpetual delay jail and I'd like to think they wouldn't use a 2016~ design in 2024. Gilles has also said these new EV plans open up many doors for design that were previously closed for ICE cars further hat tipping to an all new design and not that blob sketch they used on EV day. Also - the two EV cars doing burnouts in their video on EV day, one was a new challenger and one looked like a modern 68/69 charger - that's what I am going with.
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That impression is wrong, STLA Large essentially updated Giorgio just like STLA Frame is updated DT Platform.
 
KrisW said:
One of us is right. Let’s see who...
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Mopar rarely intros new engines and this is a big bet on your part. It will require the complete re-crash testing and the hundreds of millions required to do so for the Ram, GC. GC-L, Wrangler etc. Just to be phased out a few years later to meet up with their EV plans. An I6 was a great idea in 2015 - but not now and there is still no evidence the engine ever existed in the first place. Every article about it leads back to an unsubstantiated post on allpar. There was also a post over there about a "for sure" 392 powered Stelvio based CUV too.
 
ChargerFan1 said:
Mopar rarely intros new engines and this is a big bet on your part. It will require the complete re-crash testing and the hundreds of millions required to do so for the Ram, GC. GC-L, Wrangler etc. Just to be phased out a few years later to meet up with their EV plans. An I6 was a great idea in 2015 - but not now and there is still no evidence the engine ever existed in the first place. Every article about it leads back to an unsubstantiated post on allpar. There was also a post over there about a "for sure" 392 powered Stelvio based CUV too.
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EV referenced is the Halo car. The PHEV is the Hornet. What is the third car?

The I6 with some sort of electric boost will underpin the 'it's not a V8 but its faster than the hemi was' marketing that will accompany the next Charger/Challenger.

Will they have the 2.0 as the base engine (without electric boost) for introductory trims, or will they go with the 3L I6? Huge mistake to go with the 2.0, they need the 3.0 to not dilute things. My fear is that they are going with the 2.0 though for the introductory trims.
 
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