What's new
Mopar Insiders Forum

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

[SPECULATION] It's official - all EVs cancelled - Recon, Wagoneer S, Charger, Wagoneer REEV, Ram REEV - All Done

Status
Not open for further replies.
Not surprised based on the way this vehicle has been handled - marked a year in advance. Some kind of marketing or launch experiment to see if you share the information enough in advance does it change the way people talk about it or show interest?
I dunno about that. I'm willing to bet it's more a market fluctuation issue. They weren't ready at first. Now they're ready but the ev market is becoming crowded, and now maybe they're worried they don't have enough to offer. The REV should have been out already. It would be making bank even if it's a basic b*tch pickup that happens to have this drivetrain in it. At this rate, VW / Scout is going to beat them to the market.

This has been generally a disaster of product planning and not knowing what the customer wants. Or ignoring it. Not to mention how social media is key these days. Whether they want to admit it or not. The big magazines don't have as much sway as they used to.

Charger should not have been called Charger or it should not have come out EV first. Anyone with common sense that lives in the US would have known that was a mistake once the LX's were gone. Especially with the marketing they've pounded into Dodge since ~2005, maybe as early as 2003 with SRT advertising and the Neon. The point is, Marketing painted them into the anti-ev corner. Replacing all the affordable cars with a huge, expensive EV was the answer to a question nobody was asking. If they were going to introduce EV to Dodge, it should have been with the cheap cars. YK, the ones that Daimler and then FCA cut out of the lineup. Neon, Dart, Caliber, Stratus, Sebring, 200, Journey, Magnum, Caravan.. until there was nothing left but Challenger, Charger & Durango until they introduced Hornet which is a flop. Generally speaking, not enough value for the price tag it's asking and not Dodge enough. Anyone with eyes can see that the Compass is a better deal. Sure, those cheaper cars weren't the best things on four wheels but they had enough value that people still bought them.

They made a mistake not bringing the 4xe here sooner. Maybe not as the Compass or Renegade, but a Chrysler on that same platform. God knows they've used the Compass platform for a lot already, why not a Chrysler EV? It already had the Pacifica PHEV. A Compass-sized Chrysler Concorde or something wouldn't have been so problematic to the brand that only had 2 cars at the time. Chrysler Conquest could've been the Hornet 4xe brought here, too. The Charger could've been a 300e with the fuselage styling cues. Could have even kept the R-wing and general profile. No need for the fauxonic exhaust, or to beat the sh*t out of every car that lines up with it at the nearest red light, either. The personality of Chrysler is different. Or was. Now it's a minivan that's trying to pretend to be three.

Dodge should be able to keep the ICE cars; while I'm not a huge fan of living in the past - not everything has to have a historical nameplate. Especially if it goes the way Hornet has so far lol. They can still offer the option of high-po EV's under Banshee moniker - if they stopped trying to cater to the Hemi-worshipers with the EVs; make them scream like a performance EV screams, let them hear the Banshee. They can have the ICE performance under the SRT Moniker. They can make their cheap cars ala' Neon - make it genuinely good to drive as a base model and then improve upon it, that's why the LX's were money-makers. They were invested in instead of chopped off. Their base prices were under 40k. But in all honesty, the only thing I can thank Daimler for, it's the LX platform. Because without the LX's Chrysler & Dodge would already be dead, Jeep and Ram sold off to the highest bidder.
 
Last edited:
S
I dunno about that. I'm willing to bet it's more a market fluctuation issue. They weren't ready at first. Now they're ready but the ev market is becoming crowded, and now maybe they're worried they don't have enough to offer. The REV should have been out already. It would be making bank even if it's a basic b*tch pickup that happens to have this drivetrain in it. At this rate, VW / Scout is going to beat them to the market.

This has been generally a disaster of product planning and not knowing what the customer wants. Or ignoring it. Not to mention how social media is key these days. Whether they want to admit it or not. The big magazines don't have as much sway as they used to.

Charger should not have been called Charger or it should not have come out EV first. Anyone with common sense that lives in the US would have known that was a mistake once the LX's were gone. Especially with the marketing they've pounded into Dodge since ~2005, maybe as early as 2003 with SRT advertising and the Neon. The point is, Marketing painted them into the anti-ev corner. Replacing all the affordable cars with a huge, expensive EV was the answer to a question nobody was asking. If they were going to introduce EV to Dodge, it should have been with the cheap cars. YK, the ones that Daimler and then FCA cut out of the lineup. Neon, Dart, Caliber, Stratus, Sebring, 200, Journey, Magnum, Caravan.. until there was nothing left but Challenger, Charger & Durango until they introduced Hornet which is a flop. Generally speaking, not enough value for the price tag it's asking and not Dodge enough. Anyone with eyes can see that the Compass is a better deal. Sure, those cheaper cars weren't the best things on four wheels but they had enough value that people still bought them.

They made a mistake not bringing the 4xe here sooner. Maybe not as the Compass or Renegade, but a Chrysler on that same platform. God knows they've used the Compass platform for a lot already, why not a Chrysler EV? It already had the Pacifica PHEV. A Compass-sized Chrysler Concorde or something wouldn't have been so problematic to the brand that only had 2 cars at the time. Chrysler Conquest could've been the Hornet 4xe brought here, too. The Charger could've been a 300e with the fuselage styling cues. Could have even kept the R-wing and general profile. No need for the fauxonic exhaust, or to beat the sh*t out of every car that lines up with it at the nearest red light, either. The personality of Chrysler is different. Or was. Now it's a minivan that's trying to pretend to be three.

Dodge should be able to keep the ICE cars; while I'm not a huge fan of living in the past - not everything has to have a historical nameplate. Especially if it goes the way Hornet has so far lol. They can still offer the option of high-po EV's under Banshee moniker - if they stopped trying to cater to the Hemi-worshipers with the EVs; make them scream like a performance EV screams, let them hear the Banshee. They can have the ICE performance under the SRT Moniker. They can make their cheap cars ala' Neon - make it genuinely good to drive as a base model and then improve upon it, that's why the LX's were money-makers. They were invested in instead of chopped off. Their base prices were under 40k. But in all honesty, the only thing I can thank Daimler for, it's the LX platform. Because without the LX's Chrysler & Dodge would already be dead, Jeep and Ram sold off to the highest bidder.
So much to umpack here - but overall you hit some GREAT points.

Chrysler has made shareholders happy a few times with keep the old Jeep while having the Grand Cherokee still around. They did the same thing with the RAM once or twice, and with the Minivan. The logistics would have been hard - but boy in hinesight - keep the Charger around and introducing the Chrysler E300 as what we see now as the Dodge Charger - and then introduce the Dodge Charger 6pack 2 door and then 4 door would have been killer. Tjhe E300 would have been a Tesla figher for those who are anti-musk.

Tis easy for my to play keyboard quarterback here - however some of these things seemed easier done at the start.....

As for the marketing, they have basically revealed the Ramcharger line in almost full form a year before it was projected to be released and two years+ before actual release. I'm not sure I know of any product that was given a full year public release to intended order time. Too often the kind of effort backfires because of delays or misaligning expectations - as happened here.
 
I personally just talked to Jeep® CEO Bob Broderdorf about an hour ago, guess what Recon NOT cancelled, coming in November!

Ask him how the Wagoneer S is doing so far this quarter. It's averaging about ~3500 (not a typo) sales per quarter, right? Stellantis Post It’s Sales Numbers For The U.S. In Q2 2025

They build the Wagoneer S in Toluca, which is also where they intend to build and export the Recon to the US and Europe, because Europe has no tarriff on vehicles imported from Mexico - Ford did the same thing with the Mach E, and - surprise - the MachE is a total nothingburger in Europe - 10,178 Mach Es were sold, total, in Q2 2025 in Europe. How many Wagoneer S vehicles have they exported and sold in Europe? Why would the Recon sell any differently? Simply because it’s boxier / more Wrangler-like?

How many Wrangler enthusiasts want a less capable EV version? It’s pretty clear that from the initial Charger EV and Wagoneer S sales numbers, this is not just a slow start - this is dead on arrival. Putting any more investment into this is just lighting money on fire.

Or are they trying to save face at this event in front of the public and oops, we changed our mind four months from now - we're going to "pause" production of the Recon. Look at the numbers and ask yourself which is more likely ;)
 
Last edited:
How much was the Recon going to cost? About $99,995? It would sell great beside a 3.6L Wrangler. Everyone must admit half of their EV problems come from pricing.
 
And if you think sales of the Wagoneer S are bad now - just wait until September 30th, when the EV credit goes away.
 
I’m locking this thread.

I’m not super active in moderating here, but agree with those who are concerned about the political commentary. Let’s keep it to cars only - I don’t care who you voted for or if you feel emboldened to be a jerk to people. Keep it civil.

Also, it’s literally not official so I renamed the thread to call out that this is just one person’s speculation.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top