Ram’s Upcoming Midsize Pickup Will Be Body-On-Frame

Ram’s Upcoming Midsize Pickup Will Be Body-On-Frame​

No Unibody Here—Ram’s New Truck Targets Real Truck Buyers​

After years of speculation, Ram is finally getting back into the midsize pickup game. And here’s the kicker—it’s going body-on-frame, not unibody like some expected.

Ram’s Upcoming Midsize Pickup Will Be Body-On-Frame

Ram’s upcoming midsize pickup will be body-on-frame, providing ruggedness and traditional strength for truck enthusiasts.

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[TripleT]

It think we are saying the same thing. Instead of the system originally used in the Ram, as a interim. Use the New ZF torque converterless design. Install enough of a battery for launch and low speeds, and boast when needed. Have a PHEV version with a bigger battery as a upsell and perfomance (both efficiency and other performance), until the REV is sorted.

But make no mistake REV is the future and it would be nice for a change, instead of being decades behind. Being innovative used to be a hallmark of Mopar... Now everyone whines if the same old tech doesn't carry on forever.

Ford CEO said no one cares about cylinder count..... Cue the whining. He is exaggerating. There is a very loud, loyal, passionate, and extremely small minority that does. But as all the other OEMs are showing overall he is correct. If you put gas in it and it goes that is what vast majority of consumers are concerned with.

 

[WXman]

It think we are saying the same thing. Instead of the system originally used in the Ram, as a interim. Use the New ZF torque converterless design. Install enough of a battery for launch and low speeds, and boast when needed. Have a PHEV version with a bigger battery as a upsell and perfomance (both efficiency and other performance), until the REV is sorted.

But make no mistake REV is the future and it would be nice for a change, instead of being decades behind. Being innovative used to be a hallmark of Mopar... Now everyone whines if the same old tech doesn't carry on forever.

Ford CEO said no one cares about cylinder count..... Cue the whining. He is exaggerating. There is a very loud, loyal, passionate, and extremely small minority that does. But as all the other OEMs are showing overall he is correct. If you put gas in it and it goes that is what vast majority of consumers are concerned with.

Please explain to me why the V8 engine still outsells every other option in GM trucks? They've got a little 4-banger turbo. Heck they've got a 6 cylinder diesel that is by far the most fuel efficient engine in the lineup. Why doesn't it outsell the V8s? It's cheaper, more fuel efficient, etc. Yet it doesn't outsell V8s. If a "majority" of consumers do not care how many cylinders they have, why are a majority of them spending more upfront and more at the gas pump for a V8?

Why does Ford's V8 still account for 25% of all F-150 sales, making it the #1 (or very close to #1) choice when sorted by individual engine sales? They've got 2 or 3 different little bitty turbo engines, yet they're still selling 140k V8 trucks annually.

I think it's pretty clear that the "majority" does care about how many cylinders are under their hood. They are saying so with dollar bills.

 

[james.mooney.]

While they move forward with the midsize BOF "Dakota," I hope they are at least considering not only a US-spec compact Rampage on STLA Medium but also a STLA Small Ram subcompact pickup ("Ram Raider"? "Ram Scamp"?) based on the next-gen Fiat Strada-- like the badge-engineered Ram 700 sold in South America, but with unique, more traditional pickup styling and sheetmetal (like how the Rampage is based on the Toro but looks completely different). It could be a cool little urban lifestyle ute...

 

[WXman]

While they move forward with the midsize BOF "Dakota," I hope they are at least considering not only a US-spec compact Rampage on STLA Medium but also a STLA Small Ram subcompact pickup ("Ram Raider"? "Ram Scamp"?) based on the next-gen Fiat Strada-- like the badge-engineered Ram 700 sold in South America, but with unique, more traditional pickup styling and sheetmetal (like how the Rampage is based on the Toro but looks completely different). It could be a cool little urban lifestyle ute...

I agree. The Ford Maverick works because it actually somewhat resembles a pickup. It's not hideous. The pictures I've seen of the Rampage are hideous. A U.S. Rampage would need a major sheetmetal workover.

 

[Kego]

I’m in. Everything sounds great except the 2027-28 dates. Hope it has the right ice engines. Maybe a Pentastar at 305 hp and an entry level 268 horse turbo 4. Then put the 420-550 horse Hurricane six in for the high output version. Jo. Do it right and asap.

 

[The Mopar Junkie]

Ram’s Long-Awaited Midsize Truck Confirmed For 2027 Launch​

Stellantis CEO Antonio Filosa Gives Investors A Glimpse At Ram’s Next Big Move​

For years, truck fans and industry insiders have been asking one big question: When will Ram finally bring back a midsize pickup? Thanks to Stellantis CEO Antonio Filosa, we finally have a clear answer. During his fireside chat at the Kepler Cheuvreux Autumn Conference on Thursday, Filosa confirmed that the much-anticipated Ram midsize truck is officially coming in 2027.

Ram’s Long-Awaited Midsize Truck Confirmed For 2027 Launch

Ram’s long-awaited midsize truck is confirmed for a 2027 launch, marking a significant return for the brand since 2011.

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[The Mopar Junkie]

 

[bill burke]

Its is s error because the less competitive but lucrative market and growing portion of the market is Unibody Pickups. Ridgeline, Santa Cruz, and Maverick...

Instead just a slightly less on the cost structure then 1500, BOF, where you have absolute great vehicles. Tacoma, Ranger, Colorado, Canyon, Frontier, and on the same lot Gladiator.

Nothing like being late to party, and hardly any room to dance. Just build the Rampage with a NA specific powertrain, and please offer it.

Think BOF is the Ram solution, the tough truck solution. I agree with you on bring a U.S. spec Rampage and building it in Belvedere and the mid size Dakota in Toledo or Warren. Amazing how new leadership gets things right after such a lack thereof.

 

[patfromigh]

Ford CEO said no one cares about cylinder count..... Cue the whining. He is exaggerating. There is a very loud, loyal, passionate, and extremely small minority that does. But as all the other OEMs are showing overall he is correct. If you put gas in it and it goes that is what vast majority of consumers are concerned with.

The Ford EB three cylinder is a mess. It is standard in the Bronco Sport and the Escape. We had plenty of those in the rental fleet. Driving my Corolla Cross Hybrid and an Escape 1.5 back to back one day was a scary experience. Throttle response in my Toyota is very predictable and more than adequate, where as the Ford 1.5 EB would hesitate. Maybe out on the highway under boost it might be passible, but in low speed driving it was miserable. BTW, the Ford hybrids have an Atkinson Cycle four and that drivetrain is very smooth and predictable. So I'm not hating on Fords.

Ram has to get the reliability and durability absolutely right for a new midsize pickup. The Jeep PHEV setup has gotten a bad reputation due to bad publicity and a number of recalls. Auburn hills will have to get their engineering house in order and make all the hybrid options work well. Stellantis has two different Miller Cycle turbo fours. The GME-T 2.0 also needs to offer that option as well for rear drive base hybrids.

Despite the end of EV mandates, changes in the federal statutes will not alter Blue state and city municipal requirements for plugin vehicles. Ram would be very wise to offer a PHEV option on the midsize pickup. They would have to get that price well below what they're asking for the Jeep 4Xe models for that to be successful.

One last thing, considering what the Jeep Grand Cherokee 4Xe does in the quarter mile, Ram will have to be very careful with how they sell a similar drivetrain in a Dakota among a showroom full of Hemi 1500 pickups.

 

[TripleT]

The Ford EB three cylinder is a mess. It is standard in the Bronco Sport and the Escape. We had plenty of those in the rental fleet. Driving my Corolla Cross Hybrid and an Escape 1.5 back to back one day was a scary experience. Throttle response in my Toyota is very predictable and more than adequate, where as the Ford 1.5 EB would hesitate. Maybe out on the highway under boost it might be passible, but in low speed driving it was miserable. BTW, the Ford hybrids have an Atkinson Cycle four and that drivetrain is very smooth and predictable. So I'm not hating on Fords.

Ram has to get the reliability and durability absolutely right for a new midsize pickup. The Jeep PHEV setup has gotten a bad reputation due to bad publicity and a number of recalls. Auburn hills will have to get their engineering house in order and make all the hybrid options work well. Stellantis has two different Miller Cycle turbo fours. The GME-T 2.0 also needs to offer that option as well for rear drive base hybrids.

Despite the end of EV mandates, changes in the federal statutes will not alter Blue state and city municipal requirements for plugin vehicles. Ram would be very wise to offer a PHEV option on the midsize pickup. They would have to get that price well below what they're asking for the Jeep 4Xe models for that to be successful.

One last thing, considering what the Jeep Grand Cherokee 4Xe does in the quarter mile, Ram will have to be very careful with how they sell a similar drivetrain in a Dakota among a showroom full of Hemi 1500 pickups.

Almost all the 4XE issues are related to Samsung......

AND NO its time to start bragging about better solutions than the HEMI, or be left behind. It was once fast now is almost embarrassingly mediocre