Gasoline Charger production news

[TripleT]

We can keep arguing, but 4XE models aren’t selling in a volume. HEMI wasn’t a volume either, but at least it justified the upper trims and spoke premium over a V6 Pentastar.

As does the 4Xe which is the 2nd best selling PHEV in the Country 20% of Volume which is a bit misleading as it is not offered in L. Hurricane should also be offered. The Pentastar still is bread a butter.

At some point performance matters. That is the point... CAMRY is now 100% Hybrid.... how is it selling? Take Charger, add Hurricane4 and mild boast from ZF and battery just big enough for Hybrid only operations. IT will be bread and butter and embarrass a Eagle car and likely a Apache also. At some point it is about market and posing.. if the only thing your selling on is nostalgia and loud exhaust.

If Mopar continues to use the past as boat anchor they will continue to fall behind, at some point you actually have to have a competitive product not just sell on the name HEMI.

 

[cygnus]

4XE kills the Hemi...

Embarrasses it .... the Hurricane would make it seem even sadder. There is nothing the WK does better than WL other than feel heavy. Hemi was NEVER the volume in the in the WK and WK2 either.

Y'all are finding false correlations. If actual performance doesn't matter one is just a POSER.

I would look at add dollars spent, pricing, and volume produced. Also stronger competitors in the class especially from Korea. Not to mention 13% to EVs in the class.

Hemi made profits. SRT Grand Cherokee 392 minted money.

 

[TripleT]

They never cared about muscle cars from what I saw. That is a k-car, neon and minivan site

Never saw a group more excited then when it was possible that a fleet of PSA cars could be sold here. They still don't understand margins. They strive for a time when you could get a poor car from a struggling company at a competitive price. They would be perfectly happy with KIA product line, sold at margin loss since there is no Asian supply line.

 

[scatpack_69]

I saw last night that they've sold around 4,500 EV Chargers in total now. The previous model was selling more than that in a single month. I don't normally say I told ya' so... but I called this 3 years ago. Ray Charles could have seen that the Hemi is the cornerstone that all CDJR profits hinged upon. So to everybody who told me I was crazy... I told ya' so!

I think that’s about what I had dug up last I looked as well. Pitiful sales numbers.

Most of us wanted to be wrong but what we were being sold wasn’t jiving. The Daytona is still stylistically a beautiful car, but even with a Hemi I don’t think I’d buy. It just doesn’t evoke much excitement, it doesn’t draw you in. Last gen Charger just had “it”, it wasn’t close to the new Daytona on style but it had it head and shoulders above.

I still see old Chargers and smile, especially if it’s a hi-po flying by going to nab somebody. They are just GOOD looking tough looking cars. And they sound good too….

 

[WXman]

Allpar has their fingers in their ears, wailing, gnashing of teeth.

This comment wins the internet for the week.

 

[Mopar392]

As does the 4Xe which is the 2nd best selling PHEV in the Country 20% of Volume which is a bit misleading as it is not offered in L. Hurricane should also be offered. The Pentastar still is bread a butter.

At some point performance matters. That is the point... CAMRY is now 100% Hybrid.... how is it selling? Take Charger, add Hurricane4 and mild boast from ZF and battery just big enough for Hybrid only operations. IT will be bread and butter and embarrass a Eagle car and likely a Apache also. At some point it is about market and posing.. if the only thing your selling on is nostalgia and loud exhaust.

If Mopar continues to use the past as boat anchor they will continue to fall behind, at some point you actually have to have a competitive product not just sell on the name HEMI.

The audience and consumers for the Camry and Charger are different.

Dodge and Ram are forced to bring HEMI because people didn’t like the alternative. Period and the numbers are proving.

 

[TripleT]

The audience and consumers for the Camry and Charger are different.

Dodge and Ram are forced to bring HEMI because people didn’t like the alternative. Period and the numbers are proving.

Ha Ha so you think that there is Volume and Cashflow where what the Mustang is? Camaro is .... You better go back and look at the numbers again.

There is ZERO ROI producing a Charger where the Camry is NOT. Look understand ... YOU have preference. YOU project your preference on the marketplace..... issue is YOU are not the Market. YOU are YOU. Would I personally own a work-a-day Charger? No but I am not most people. You are not most people.

The volume and therefore the cash flow is exactly where the Camry is... Work-a-day well styled 4 door sedan.

The Hemi was unavailable for the Ram.... how long? a Month.... seems a dubious assertion at best. Confirmation bias in the least. I bet you find a stronger correlation to not have a affordable version... say the like the Classic.

An you can make ZERO Hemi assertion on Dodge... When was the last time a ICE model was offered? 18 months ago. If anything we say the numbers go to complete crap the moment they stopped offering the V6 which makes sense since they weren't building cars anymore and shot for margin and to stretch supply. But the fact remains the 2/3rds of all Chargers sold before they stopped building them were Better looking Camrys, and Hemi cars can still be found on lots 18 month later.

Now did the Hemi drive traffic? It certainly drove theft for street takeover cars, absolutely, was it on merit after 2 decades? Beside the Hellcat. Not really. As some point it has to matter.

Right now the Marketing and reliance of the Hemi Name has become a boat anchor. It just has. I been advocating for reasonable and active marketing plan since Hurricane was released.... but hell until 5 mins ago Pepe LeCheapskate and Biden had us all driving EVs. If the Hemi is the only answer the product and company is dead. Relying on a slow, heavy, loud, thirsty, inefficient, uncompetitive, and sorry we have to face it pretty fragile is a bandaid that has gotten pretty gross after at least a decade out of its prime.