Gasoline Charger production news

[TripleT]

I think without the battery it'll still weigh 4500-4700lbs with a hurricane and AWD

It will be at least a half ton less than EV and powertrain independent less than a Wrangler….. people were fine with the Pentstar and will be plenty happy with 2.0T with more power and Torque

 

[cygnus]

If you're done hurling insults like an ego-wounded 15 year old..

I'd actually like to see proof of the issues you're talking about that they're actually COMMON. Not one or two people that have issues where nobody else does. That happens with EVERY vehicle ever made, really - I don't know a single car that has never had engine problems from someone somewhere. The Internet has made problems sound so much more prevalent than they are. People online are very loud about their issues when they have them; but the people that don't have any issues are generally out and driving their cars. The engines haven't been around long enough to have real-use longevity tests, of hundreds of thousands of miles outside of a lab.

Hemi had cylinder deactivation, I don't think the Hurricane does. Google AI gets confused pretty easily. Obviously turbos are expensive to fix, and yeah, some of the turbo fours we've had from the european engines have had premature turbo failures. Americans drive differently and more than half of them don't even know what a turbo is, and almost nobody reads the manual - so.

I get it - you don't like allpar but really .. just f*ck off with the 15yr olds attitude.

There has not been a single turbo engine that has yielded actual PROFIT for this company in the Post-Bankruptcy era. Opinion discarded.

Thank God for Trump and Thank God Tim is running the show so this company can actually get back to making some money.

 

[suzq044]

There has not been a single turbo engine that has yielded actual PROFIT for this company in the Post-Bankruptcy era. Opinion discarded.

Thank God for Trump and Thank God Tim is running the show so this company can actually get back to making some money.

Where was an opinion in what I said? You definitely sound like the average red-hat warrior though, congrats... SMH.

To add to that -- There hasn't been a single thing that has been created since then really that's turned a profit that wasn't chopping off their nose to spite their respective face.

The facts are:
They spent 13 years hammering that f*ck going green marketing attitude into Dodge, all while taking away any other way to get into the company that wasn't a Charger, Challenger or Durango. FCA took away all of the entry level vehicles when Dart didn't take off like a rocket (throttle lag, some engine and electrical issues), 200 got panned because of the same problems but V6. So they chopped those off. They killed the Journey instead of giving it an adequate replacement. Threw away the Caravan (in the US market), then went and finally put the LX series to rest. The problem is. They did it wrong. That's just poor product planning.

The EV Charger should either not have been named Charger (maybe Stealth), or not been a Dodge - this would have fit the Chrysler 300s attitude far better as it sits. Alternately they really should have released the ICE Sedan first. Not the EV. Because now, we don't have $25-30,000 Chargers that get people into Dodge. We have a $70,000+ EV that doesn't suit that f*ck going green mantra. Same with Hornet. Durango is too old. As much as I like them. Firstly - they're the only v8 Dodge left. Secondly, they haven't fixed the problems with them. The engine issues, the electrical issues, and the race-track taillight leaking issues, to name a couple. Why would someone pay $50-100,000 for a vehicle that has gone mostly unchanged (bumpers, hoods & uConnect updates aside) since 20011? It's cheaper to just buy used at that point for 1/3rd of the price.

Durango is the next vehicle on the chopping block because "oh no its sales are flagging" [deadpool shock face]. Because now they're stuck. They can't get rid of Durango because it's the only Hemi-capable vehicle in the lineup. The only car that actually still has the Dodge atittude, but it's beyond the point it needs to be replaced.

Pacifica hasn't been meaningfully updated since 2017, to the point they still actively use press photos from those years -- These two brands need help, and it's not just a marketing job. It's the company. So I'm gonna laugh at you all day damn long if you think the Hemi is gonna save their *ss. It's not. It's actually the problem. They're still running those smoking tire ads. PLEASE WE STILL CAN BURN RUBBER!! Burning rubber isn't a personality trait. Any car can do it if you turn off traction control. They don't tell you why you should buy their car. They're not telling you ANYTHING about the vehicles they sell in the ads. They just burn rubber across the screen and that's it. lol -- there's no inherent value in that. People, now more than ever need VALUE. And the Charger doesn't have it, nor is it living up to expectations that Dodge set for itself for the last 13 years. It's failing because it's too expensive. People who have them like them - despite the occasional bricking issues and other general ev issues. The problem is "that's it? -- that's what cost 70,000? A pretty light show inside? A hatchback?.. for 70k?" Take away the EV 'status' and the thing doesn't offer much for that much money.

They need new, value-heavy entry level vehicles yesterday, that aren't $30-40,000 half-*ssed Jeeps.

 

[cygnus]

It will be at least a half ton less than EV and powertrain independent less than a Wrangler….. people were fine with the Pentstar and will be plenty happy with 2.0T with more power and Torque

The 2L has been a flop with the Wrangler.

 

[suzq044]

Go buy a Toyota, this is our brand now. Zero profit is made selling stuff under $40K

It's like you want the company to die. Because it will if you're just chasing profit. That's what they've been doing since Daimler's pillaging. Daimler killed the quality reputation pretty damn quickly. Then we went through the brief thing with Cerberus and then FCA finally. There was a brief uptick of Interior Quality during the FCA years. The Ram is still doing awesome with that. But if you can't see that they're headed towards doom if they keep chasing money and killing every single project that doesn't make a vaultload of profit off of every sale, then you're f*cking delusional. I get its a business, but you basically just said "go buy a different brand" because -- you want the profit to go Toyota, I guess? Because that's really "I don't like what you're saying so um. Go give your money to someone who cares".

The irony in that weird *ss advice? I might just do that next time I need a new vehicle if there's nothing to buy at Dodge (I don't like Hornet, the Durango is too old, and the Charger is too damn expensive) and nothing with any capability at Jeep that isn't $60k or more. We have two 400,000mi late-90s 4runners. I'm pretty sure that not a single CDJR vehicle sold in the last decade (this side of a cummins ram, anyway) will ever get far. So yeah, I'm pretty heavily thinking Toyota next time. So are a lot of other people. Gate keepers like you really aren't helping the brand as much as you think you are.

Goes with the theme though -- cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[cygnus]

You can get a 3.6L V6 Grand Cherokee Limited AWD for $42K through Chrysler Capital - 2025 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited For Sale in Farmington Hills, MI | Stock: SC334013 / That's an exceptional amount of value for $42K.

You know would be a terrible idea? Swapping out the 3.6L V6 in the Grand Cherokee for the four cylinder POS. What if I told you there is an emergency project to get the 3.6L V6 back in the Grand Cherokee for MY 2026 after the four cylinder was supposed to go in the Grand Cherokee in MY 2026 and that Job 1 has been pushed back to December to try to do this?

I hope Allpar can shoulder the 2026 Cherokee program costs, because it has everything they love - globalism (built in Mexico) and a 1.6L MHEV engine. Hope everyone at Allpar buys five of them, because that vehicle program is going to be a total flop when you can get a Grand Cherokee Limited AWD for $42K. There will be zero margin on that Cherokee. Again - you cannot make decent profit on sub $40K vehicles unless you build in Mexico, and that game is over. $42-46K, Pentastar V6, made in the US is the sweet spot.

The stock is $8.80 / the company is worth $25B in Market Cap. Go buy a Grand Cherokee today, and go buy some stock. If Trump wouldn't have won, this company would be on its way to bankruptcy. No one is buying EVs from this company. This company cannot afford vehicle programs that break even. This company needs profits to survive.



This is what happens when you blow billions building EVs for existing Dodge, Jeep, Ram voters that are primarily Trump voters / V6 and V8 powertrain enthusiasts.

 

[DodgeAL]

As I under stood it people were saying the EV Charger was/is the widest US auto period as well as way too long. This over weight oik car needs a replacement not a Hemi V8 ! Of course bringing a totally new vehicle to market takes years not months. So perhaps the current oik car will have to suffice for now ! But when this large oink mobile gets it's a$$ handed to it by every sports car the owners are going to be really pissed, because the HP to weight rule will kill performance !

 

[VANISHING POINT #1]

Like heat is the enemy of many things i.e. a turbo, weight is an enemy of maintenance, tire wear, economy, performance, power and handling. It's always better to stay fit. Stay light and agile for and performance in all categories is improved.

On a side note, personally for a Dodge Charger the 1968 charger is still my favorite in style with the coke body design and double bubble tail lamps like the 68 Corvette that both lit up when applying the brakes. The 68 Charger (in the movie Bullit 1968 in San Francisco hills chase scenes) had a flat front grille that went across the whole front with no breaks unlike the 69 Charger (Dirty Marry Crazy Larry 1974) with a break in front end bumper and that 69 didn't have double bubble taillamps but had those longer taillamps.

 

[99GTS]

Like heat is the enemy of many things i.e. a turbo, weight is an enemy of maintenance, tire wear, economy, performance, power and handling. It's always better to stay fit. Stay light and agile for and performance in all categories is improved.

On a side note, personally for a Dodge Charger the 1968 charger is still my favorite in style with the coke body design and double bubble tail lamps like the 68 Corvette that both lit up when applying the brakes. The 68 Charger (in the movie Bullit 1968 in San Francisco hills chase scenes) had a flat front grille that went across the whole front with no breaks unlike the 69 Charger (Dirty Marry Crazy Larry 1974) with a break in front end bumper and that 69 didn't have double bubble taillamps but had those longer taillamps.

The 68 is absolutely perfect. Down to the little round side markers vs the big rectangle markers on the 69 and 70 cars.

I do wish the 68 had gotten the 6 pack option and the pistol grip shifter. They were only available in 1970 if I recall correctly.

A12 Charger would have been real cool too!

 

[scatpack_69]

The funny thing is, both cygnus and suzq are right

Go figure that eh?

 

[WXman]

I saw last night that they've sold around 4,500 EV Chargers in total now. The previous model was selling more than that in a single month. I don't normally say I told ya' so... but I called this 3 years ago. Ray Charles could have seen that the Hemi is the cornerstone that all CDJR profits hinged upon. So to everybody who told me I was crazy... I told ya' so!

 

[TripleT]

Raise your hand here have driven the 4xE Grand Cherokee vs a Eagle Grand Cherokee?

I think the answer here at least this thread. Its shockingly better, even carrying the extra weight. Of course the raspy 2.0T isn't the same sounding, but v8 in 70s sound good also, in the end it how a vehicle performs. Now lets consider that the new Hurricane4 will be north of 300 and ZF north of 200.

Bread butter sales would be run nearly entirely with the Hurricane4. Volume and Cash flow.

Small battery just enough for the ZF would sell to Hybrid that nearly everyone is offering now, Bigger battery give you a PHEV.

This is where VOLUME with come from. SRT drives traffic, the 2.0T will drive volume and cashflow.

 

[cygnus]

The 3L I6 has not gained traction with Ram buyers. Despite being better than the Hemi on paper.

 

[Mopar392]

The WL Grand Cherokee did not get the traction it had with the previous generation because of the unrealistic pricing, and to make matters worse they killed the HEMI.

 

[TripleT]

The WL Grand Cherokee did not get the traction it had with the previous generation because of the unrealistic pricing, and to make matters worse they killed the HEMI.

4XE kills the Hemi...

Embarrasses it .... the Hurricane would make it seem even sadder. There is nothing the WK does better than WL other than feel heavy. Hemi was NEVER the volume in the in the WK and WK2 either.

Y'all are finding false correlations. If actual performance doesn't matter one is just a POSER.

I would look at add dollars spent, pricing, and volume produced. Also stronger competitors in the class especially from Korea. Not to mention 13% to EVs in the class.

 

[Mopar426]

Allpar has their fingers in their ears, wailing, gnashing of teeth.

They never cared about muscle cars from what I saw. That is a k-car, neon and minivan site

 

[Mopar392]

4XE kills the Hemi...

Embarrasses it .... the Hurricane would make it seem even sadder. There is nothing the WK does better than WL other than feel heavy. Hemi was NEVER the volume in the in the WK and WK2 either.

Y'all are finding false correlations. If actual performance doesn't matter one is just a POSER.

I would look at add dollars spent, pricing, and volume produced. Also stronger competitors in the class especially from Korea. Not to mention 13% to EVs in the class.

We can keep arguing, but 4XE models aren’t selling in a volume. HEMI wasn’t a volume either, but at least it justified the upper trims and spoke premium over a V6 Pentastar.

 

[TripleT]

We can keep arguing, but 4XE models aren’t selling in a volume. HEMI wasn’t a volume either, but at least it justified the upper trims and spoke premium over a V6 Pentastar.

As does the 4Xe which is the 2nd best selling PHEV in the Country 20% of Volume which is a bit misleading as it is not offered in L. Hurricane should also be offered. The Pentastar still is bread a butter.

At some point performance matters. That is the point... CAMRY is now 100% Hybrid.... how is it selling? Take Charger, add Hurricane4 and mild boast from ZF and battery just big enough for Hybrid only operations. IT will be bread and butter and embarrass a Eagle car and likely a Apache also. At some point it is about market and posing.. if the only thing your selling on is nostalgia and loud exhaust.

If Mopar continues to use the past as boat anchor they will continue to fall behind, at some point you actually have to have a competitive product not just sell on the name HEMI.

 

[cygnus]

4XE kills the Hemi...

Embarrasses it .... the Hurricane would make it seem even sadder. There is nothing the WK does better than WL other than feel heavy. Hemi was NEVER the volume in the in the WK and WK2 either.

Y'all are finding false correlations. If actual performance doesn't matter one is just a POSER.

I would look at add dollars spent, pricing, and volume produced. Also stronger competitors in the class especially from Korea. Not to mention 13% to EVs in the class.

Hemi made profits. SRT Grand Cherokee 392 minted money.

 

[TripleT]

They never cared about muscle cars from what I saw. That is a k-car, neon and minivan site

Never saw a group more excited then when it was possible that a fleet of PSA cars could be sold here. They still don't understand margins. They strive for a time when you could get a poor car from a struggling company at a competitive price. They would be perfectly happy with KIA product line, sold at margin loss since there is no Asian supply line.