Dodge Teases Next Generation Of eMuscle Cars During EV Day 2021 Presentation:

Dodge Teases Next Generation Of eMuscle Cars During EV Day 2021 Presentation:​

All-Electric Dodge Muscle Car Will Be Coming To Market In 2024...​

With the era of supercharged HEMI engines coming to an end, Stellantis made sure that the Dodge brand was 1 of the 6 brands chosen from the 14 brand portfolio to discuss its future electrified intentions during the company’s EV Day 2021 presentation. In recent interviews, Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis promised a special surprise for Dodge enthusiasts during the event. Instead of an unveiling, we were treated with a bit of information and a teaser of the future of Dodge electrified muscle cars or eMuscle cars as they are calling it.

Dodge Teases Next Generation Of eMuscle Cars During EV Day 2021 Presentation:

With the era of supercharged HEMI engines coming to an end, Stellantis made sure that the Dodge brand was 1 of the 6 brands chosen from the 14 brand portfolio to discuss its future electrified intentions during the company's EV Day 2021 presentation. In recent interviews, Dodge CEO Tim Kuniskis...

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[TripleT]

Brampton may be too narrow. But the architecture of both the GC and upcoming Charger/Challenger/MUV are rooted from the previous Alfa's whatever the new name Pepe Le Cheapskate is calling it.

The entire platform vs architecture has people pretty confused as they used to be the same thing. But now with the computation development the physical build points become just another optimization constraint. It looked pretty wide, and the new plant has the more modern carriers but unless I way off course in my volume expectation it seems like a offline pusher model to me.

 

[Tony K]

We will see, I sure it is fast.... but how you insert soul into a electric appliance is quite a challenge.

Well, for starters, don't make appliances?

Converting 130 km/h into mp/h, we find that is a hair under 100 mph.

It's a literal "hair" over 80 MPH (80.8 to be more exact). That's well more than a hair under 100. If you're doing 100 MPH, that's ~160 KPH.

 

[TripleT]

Well, for starters, don't make appliances?

It's a literal "hair" over 80 MPH (80.8 to be more exact). That's well more than a hair under 100. If you're doing 100 MPH, that's ~160 KPH.

Yes don't be in the business of making a soulless appliance. Dodge should be in the business of making cars with passion, this is how you get the youngest demographic, this how you get car clubs in every city.... Leave the Appliances to the French, Korean, and Japanese.

 

[patfromigh]

Well, for starters, don't make appliances?

It's a literal "hair" over 80 MPH (80.8 to be more exact). That's well more than a hair under 100. If you're doing 100 MPH, that's ~160 KPH.

My bad. In my head I know that 100 km is 62 mph. I forgot to convert the 30 km to miles before adding it back in. Doing more math in my head 30 km is 3 times 10 km, so 6.2 miles times 3, or 18.6 miles. Now we are only 2/10 mile apart.

 

[Tony K]

My bad. In my head I know that 100 km is 62 mph. I forgot to convert the 30 km to miles before adding it back in. Doing more math in my head 30 km is 3 times 10 km, so 6.2 miles times 3, or 18.6 miles. Now we are only 2/10 mile apart.

Having driven considerably in Germany, I learned that typical EU speed limits tend to be roughly equivalent to US MPH usage.

Restricted sections of rural autobahns and some sections of multi-lane highways are 120 KPH which is 75 MPH
Rural highways are 100 KPH which, as stated, is 62 MPH. This is much easier to justify in places like Germany where you don't have sporadically located dwellings along a roadway like found in the US.
Urban sections of multi-lane highways are limited to 80 KPH which is 50 MPH
Speed zones around road junctions tend to be 70 KPH which is 43 MPH
Some urban multi-lane streets run at 60 KPH which is 37 MPH
Urban thoroughfares are 50 KPH which is 31 MPH
Neighborhood speed limits are 30 KPH which is 19 MPH

 

[Bili]

Having driven considerably in Germany, I learned that typical EU speed limits tend to be roughly equivalent to US MPH usage.

Restricted sections of rural autobahns and some sections of multi-lane highways are 120 KPH which is 75 MPH
Rural highways are 100 KPH which, as stated, is 62 MPH. This is much easier to justify in places like Germany where you don't have sporadically located dwellings along a roadway like found in the US.
Urban sections of multi-lane highways are limited to 80 KPH which is 50 MPH
Speed zones around road junctions tend to be 70 KPH which is 43 MPH
Some urban multi-lane streets run at 60 KPH which is 37 MPH
Urban thoroughfares are 50 KPH which is 31 MPH
Neighborhood speed limits are 30 KPH which is 19 MPH

Hmh. I don't know how are they legally called. It may differ by country.

But AFAIK in most countries there are:

1. motorways
2. extra urban or open roads
3. city roads

 

[Ramajama]

Good grief. When manufacturers wake up to the fact that battery powered EVs will quickly become a soulless commodity with little to differentiate themselves from the competition, we are going to see a reversal and backlash that will make our collective heads spin. The U.S. is far too big for mass battery powered electrification. It’ll have its place but people need vehicles that they can drive 300 or so miles, stop, fill up in 5 mins and do it again. Gasoline/hybrids are the way to go for now. If we are going to get serious about EVs, Hydrogen fuels cells are the future, interestingly hydrogen was making headway but was shelved in favor of battery powered electric by a previous administration and bolstered the fad by subsidies. Hydrogen is definitely a more viable choice for alternative fuel sources. With hydrogen You can drive X amount of miles, stop, fill up in 5 mins and do it again and again and again. It’s clean, gets good mileage and will become cheaper. Our blood sucking governments can still get easy taxation from the fuel and the infrastructure is easier to convert and doesn’t strain any power grids. Battery powered EVs are not the way of the future.

 

[Mopar392]

You can’t blame the manufacturers, when regulations force them to take the EV course.

The problem is the regulators and lobbyists.

 

[Ramajama]

Ah yes, that’s part of the issue, but automakers have their own lobbyists. They also have Unions. Once the worm turns we’ll see all that muscle start to flex. Right now, Manufacturers are simply drinking the koolaid and following more than regulations. Let’s be real. As per the usual, none of this is thoughtfully or well thought out.

 

[patfromigh]

I believe it was Ronald Reagan who said, "Any government big enough to give everything you want is big enough to take it all away." Things pretty much went the automakers way hear in the USA with the federal government meddling with privately owned public transportation companies and local zoning regulations. The inefficient and unsustainable suburban sprawl with leapfrog development created a mandatory driving environment for many. Automakers, of course benefited greatly from this. Now is the twilight of the private automobile, soon to be replaced by subscription based electric pod cars. Ford and GM don't care, they don't need to make cars to make money.

If none of this was thought out, why were people warning of this in the 1980s? We have been "Taken for a Ride."

 

[Tony K]

Good grief. When manufacturers wake up to the fact that battery powered EVs will quickly become a soulless commodity with little to differentiate themselves from the competition, we are going to see a reversal and backlash that will make our collective heads spin. The U.S. is far too big for mass battery powered electrification. It’ll have its place but people need vehicles that they can drive 300 or so miles, stop, fill up in 5 mins and do it again. Gasoline/hybrids are the way to go for now. If we are going to get serious about EVs, Hydrogen fuels cells are the future, interestingly hydrogen was making headway but was shelved in favor of battery powered electric by a previous administration and bolstered the fad by subsidies. Hydrogen is definitely a more viable choice for alternative fuel sources. With hydrogen You can drive X amount of miles, stop, fill up in 5 mins and do it again and again and again. It’s clean, gets good mileage and will become cheaper. Our blood sucking governments can still get easy taxation from the fuel and the infrastructure is easier to convert and doesn’t strain any power grids. Battery powered EVs are not the way of the future.

No, you really DON'T need to be able to drive 300 miles, fill up in 5 minutes, and drive another 300 miles. Tell me how often you actually drive 300 miles, stop, fill up in 5 minutes and POOF get on your way without doing something that takes at least 15 minutes, toilet break, grab a drink, stretch, etc? If you do, tell me why that's really a) a necessary REQUIREMENT, and b) a good idea? MOST folks need to be able to get to work a short ways away, and can drive home and top off the battery cheaply on night utility rates. For long trips, a 15-20 minute break after 300 miles is a necessary event for your body, even if you do nothing but walk around. The other factor, unlike FUELS, electric power can be dropped just about anywhere a car is going to be stopping, without all the siting problems of any type of fuel. Realistically, other than for the HD truck industry, BEVs make more sense.

You know what DOESN'T make sense? This notion that BEVs somehow are limited to being "soulless commodities."

 

[patfromigh]

What I want to see is EV chargers at convenience stores. I also want to see State of the art charging in more places off the interstates. I drive to Chicago (400 miles away) once or twice a year. If I was driving to Chicago on a regular basis I would have the Ram 1500 HFE diesel, end of story. I used to take the bus, but Greyhound is out of business in Canada and is near death in the US.

The only time I leave my little corner of the metro is to go to the health clinic thirty miles away. A city car makes a lot of sense for me. The Fiat 500e passion trim level and above has a 200 mile range, which gets me to the doctor and back, but leaves me well short of Chicago.I don't mind a half hour wait to charge the batteries. If I was flying, I would have to be at the airport 90 minutes early. If I was to drive to Chicago in a battery electric city car, I would want to stay off the interstate highways to maximize range. This is where I need to see EV charging.

 

[UN4GTBL]

No, you really DON'T need to be able to drive 300 miles, fill up in 5 minutes, and drive another 300 miles. Tell me how often you actually drive 300 miles, stop, fill up in 5 minutes and POOF get on your way without doing something that takes at least 15 minutes, toilet break, grab a drink, stretch, etc? If you do, tell me why that's really a) a necessary REQUIREMENT, and b) a good idea? MOST folks need to be able to get to work a short ways away, and can drive home and top off the battery cheaply on night utility rates. For long trips, a 15-20 minute break after 300 miles is a necessary event for your body, even if you do nothing but walk around. The other factor, unlike FUELS, electric power can be dropped just about anywhere a car is going to be stopping, without all the siting problems of any type of fuel. Realistically, other than for the HD truck industry, BEVs make more sense.

You know what DOESN'T make sense? This notion that BEVs somehow are limited to being "soulless commodities."

Agreed, but I think the issue is that people *think* that they only stop for 5 minutes to refuel and then keep going, but that's simply not the case.

Before the pandemic, I would do a 12 hour drive from Toronto to Tennessee and I would stop every few hours for gas and coffee/food/bathroom/etc. I remember timing the stops a couple of times, and we could get them down to 10 minutes, but that was if we were well coordinated (one person pumps gas, the other gets food, etc) and rushed to get back on the road.

(EDIT: I just went back to look, and it seems I was getting about 350 miles between fuel stops in my KL on those trips)

I've seen a few "road trip" videos that some YouTube channels have done with BEVs, and it seems that finding a working charger either goes perfectly well, or you end up trying a few before getting one that will work properly and you may or may not have to call tech support to get it to work. (Specifically thinking about the Porsche Taycan video that TFL did) As of right now, gas stations are more plentiful and have less potential for issues. In a few years, it would be great to see chargers along major interstates and elsewhere as plentiful as gas stations, but right now, they just aren't there yet. Plus, if you ever run out of range you have to call a tow truck, there's no option to just walk to the next gas station and bring back fuel to the stranded car.

 

[Mastertech63]

Would it be prudent for states and/or the Federal Gov. to install charging stations at rest stops? Since people are stopping there anyway, why not get a quick charge there too.

 

[Ryan]

No, you really DON'T need to be able to drive 300 miles, fill up in 5 minutes, and drive another 300 miles. Tell me how often you actually drive 300 miles, stop, fill up in 5 minutes and POOF get on your way without doing something that takes at least 15 minutes, toilet break, grab a drink, stretch, etc? If you do, tell me why that's really a) a necessary REQUIREMENT, and b) a good idea? MOST folks need to be able to get to work a short ways away, and can drive home and top off the battery cheaply on night utility rates. For long trips, a 15-20 minute break after 300 miles is a necessary event for your body, even if you do nothing but walk around. The other factor, unlike FUELS, electric power can be dropped just about anywhere a car is going to be stopping, without all the siting problems of any type of fuel. Realistically, other than for the HD truck industry, BEVs make more sense.

You know what DOESN'T make sense? This notion that BEVs somehow are limited to being "soulless commodities."

I drove to Santa Fe this spring in my Grand Cherokee which was roughly a 10 hour drive. Just for fun, when I got back I put that destination in Tesla's website and let them tell me how long the drive would be after accounting for recharging in a Model 3 Long Range. I think it only added around an hour of extra time. On the way to Santa Fe, I stopped in Amarillo which was near halfway and slept there for the night before getting up and driving the rest of the way the next morning. That would have been a perfect opportunity to recharge. On the way back, I drove pretty much straight through but I promise you that I spent more than an hour outside of my Jeep walking around, eating, using the bathroom, and getting gas, so the added time in the Tesla wouldn't have even been noticeable. People make this into a bigger issue than it really is.

 

[patfromigh]

Would it be prudent for states and/or the Federal Gov. to install charging stations at rest stops? Since people are stopping there anyway, why not get a quick charge there too.

No!

Let private companies take care of the charging infrastructure. I often use public transportation. almost all the public transportation in the USA was privately owned until government regulations started tweaking things. Now public transportation is a ward of the state and the service stinks. Everyone should try going without a car for a week. That is a good way to measure the quality of public transit. Some will say there isn't any reliable public transit within miles from where I live, it's not safe either. Well how do you think an EV charging network designed and thought out by centralized planners will turn out? It will be like Amtrak for automobiles. Sure there's the Acela and California HSR, but everywhere else can wait. Maybe that's why the Amtrak map and the charging network map look so similar.

 

[Bili]

Let private companies take care of the charging infrastructure. I often use public transportation. almost all the public transportation in the USA was privately owned until government regulations started tweaking things. Now public transportation is a ward of the state and the service stinks. Everyone should try going without a car for a week. That is a good way to measure the quality of public transit. Some will say there isn't any reliable public transit within miles from where I live, it's not safe either. Well how do you think an EV charging network designed and thought out by centralized planners will turn out? It will be like Amtrak for automobiles. Sure there's the Acela and California HSR, but everywhere else can wait. Maybe that's why the Amtrak map and the charging network map look so similar.

This is in contrast to Europe. Maybe it depends on what you consider as a public transport. And it may be very different from country to country, and even from city to city.

Usually public transport like city buses, tramways and similar city transport, sucks if it's privately owned.

 

[patfromigh]

This is in contrast to Europe. Maybe it depends on what you consider as a public transport. And it may be very different from country to country, and even from city to city.

Usually public transport like city buses, tramways and similar city transport, sucks if it's privately owned.

Much of European public transit has public-private partnerships. Transport for London is one example of this. For much of the United States, public transit is seen s an extension of the welfare system. There is a lot of centralized planning from Washington as they dole out money to the local transit agencies. The right thing to do would have been to treat transit as a public utility as was done with the power companies.

Some of the European countries have EV charging stations at convenience stores. This was a surprise for me because I thought convenience stores were strictly a North American thing. There is a convenience store at the end of the block my apartment building is on. The nearest interstate rest stop is 25 miles away across the state border. It is currently closed because of that state's budget problems. The ugly truth is nobody in America lives on an interstate highway. I get that travelers need to gas and go, but apartment dwellers like me need to get to our jobs first before we can afford that vacation trip.

 

[Tony K]

I thought convenience stores were strictly a North American thing.

I've seen them all over Europe. Every gas station I've been to in Europe was a C-store. All of the Autobahn rest areas in Germany have them, and I even remember a brand new one outside the base (Yavoriv) in rural NW Ukraine in March 2018, which was in what looked like an otherwise economically depresssed area. The guys I was with stopped their HMMWV and went in to get these footlong corndogs sans sticks. It was about 10 miles from the Polish border.

 

[Tony K]

If I was driving to Chicago on a regular basis I would have the Ram 1500 HFE diesel, end of story.

Where in Chicago are you going that you can park a full size pickup? Doesn't sound like downtown.

Would it be prudent for states and/or the Federal Gov. to install charging stations at rest stops? Since people are stopping there anyway, why not get a quick charge there too.

They would be stupid not to have that done. The power is already there, though it may need an upgrade. Truck recharging may require some lot redesign. Some places may benefit from locating solar farms at or nearby. You could even create shade with the solar arrays.