Dodge Is Working On A Charger Daytona GT RWD Model

A majority of Dodge enthusiasts are upset about the brand’s path toward electrification. With the introduction of the all-new, all-electric 2024 Dodge Charger Daytona, Dodge is pushing a duo of two-door all-electric muscle cars, offering free performance upgrades for the vehicle’s initial model year of production. But many enthusiasts who are on the fence about the new electric Charger are questioning not only the car’s range but also the current status of the country’s charging infrastructure and price. While Dodge might not have released pricing just yet on the new electrified model, the new Charger Daytona is expected to be … (read full article...)

 

[TripleT]

I keep seeing old-school die-hards insist that EVs are "dead" and gas guzzlers are the future, but the numbers tell a different story.

This year, Tesla will sell more EV sedans in the USA alone than Dodge, Chrysler, Alfa Romeo, FIAT and Maserati combined will sell of all gas sedans worldwide.

Gas LX sales also weren't setting the world on fire. The Charger and Challenger's combined sales volume in 2023 was down 50% from its peak, and the Chrysler 300's total volume was down over 90% from peak.

Stellantis has a necessary transition to make. Fantasies of obsolete gas guzzlers being a big seller ain't gonna get them where they need to be.

The only open question is whether Dodge stays a gas brand (and dies in a few years as a result) or manages to navigate a successful transition. Chrysler is in even worse shape.

Don't make the same error as other on the opposite side of the argument. Unless someone has spare or large capacities that require Volume to cover fixed cost Volume is not a success Metric.

Revenue is the proper Metric and margin per transaction.

As for the Korean. They have a decided advantage as much of the battery tech is coming from Asia and they are already in the car in a box model. This how they were able to hang in to the Sedan market even when the margins turned upside down with everyone else including the Japanese. Depending on what happens in NOV it not out of the question that Koreans become the next bogyman to justify a consumer tax (tariff) so they should not get too comfortable.

As for the CARB state there is NO way they are backing off, they will have people walk and take Public Transport before they abandon the CO2 racket. To abandon half the market in the USA would be moronic.

 

[AlexB]

Don't make the same error as other on the opposite side of the argument. Unless someone has spare or large capacities that require Volume to cover fixed cost Volume is not a success Metric.

Revenue is the proper Metric and margin per transaction.

As for the Korean. They have a decided advantage as much of the battery tech is coming from Asia and they are already in the car in a box model. This how they were able to hang in to the Sedan market even when the margins turned upside down with everyone else including the Japanese. Depending on what happens in NOV it not out of the question that Koreans become the next bogyman to justify a consumer tax (tariff) so they should not get too comfortable.

As for the CARB state there is NO way they are backing off, they will have people walk and take Public Transport before they abandon the CO2 racket. To abandon half the market in the USA would be moronic.

Charger EV can very easily become the new Crown Victoria of CARB States.

 

[TripleT]

Charger EV can very easily become the new Crown Victoria of CARB States.

The is the Model 3 and Y

 

[redriderbob]

Charger EV can very easily become the new Crown Victoria of CARB States.

Agreed!

 

[TripleT]

Police forces want SUVs to handle all the equipment. as long as the oil cooler doesn't fail.

 

[AlexB]

Police forces want SUVs to handle all the equipment. as long as the oil cooler doesn't fail.

But the EV SUV's are/have been delayed.

 

[TripleT]

But the EV SUV's are/have been delayed.

Not at Ford and GM.

 

[patfromigh]

That's not what's going to happen. Go to any CARB state and you see lots of Tesla, Hyundai, and Kia EVs.

Just got back from a family funeral in the CARB state where I was born and spent much of my childhood in. i was shocked by how many EVs I saw on the rental lines. In our zone of the country we keep the EVs separate and only rent them to customers who are aware of the issues involved with operating one. My next surprise was that high speed charging was available at the convenience store next door to the motel where we stayed. Technically, we could have rented an EV and charged it next door. That night, when I heard news reports that the electrical grid was "wobbling", due to the huge demand for electricity from the heat wave, I was glad we had an ICE powered vehicle for a rental.

Most of the EVs, in that Bluest of the Blue region where I visited, are subsidized purchases. Unlike the left coast states, it snows heavily along the Great Lakes. Many households there have winter beaters to use for a backup, so cold weather is less of a concern. What this socialist utopia has done is create an artificial market bubble with generous lease deals and tax credits, giving a head start to battery electric vehicles. In Germany, when the subsidies ended, EV sales collapsed. EV sales have plateaued here in our market even before any subsidies end.

 

[patfromigh]

Charger EV can very easily become the new Crown Victoria of CARB States.

The Amazon and Fed Ex delivery fleet electric vans are successfully demonstrating the concept of EV fleet management and operations. It isn't cheap, but it can be done.

To create a law enforcement/ taxi fleet vehicle I would start with the rear drive Charger EV 4 door sedan. I would mate the Dundee built 1.6 liter four cylinder to a Leapmotor generator thus creating an extended range EV. Optional would be an AWD, dual motor EV, but the vehicles should focus on practical level 2 charging like the Amazon fleet does.

See my post #13 in this thread for an example of charging fleet vehicles.

Stellantis and other auto companies, including GM and Mercedes, to battle Tesla with new charging JV for NA

https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/auto-giants-unite-build-universal-network-clean-energy-fast-charger-north-america/ • NACS and CCS included in stalls • 100% powered by renewable energy (we'll see) • First chargers deployed next summer, including in NEVI spots

moparinsiders.com

 

[james.mooney.]

But the EV SUV's are/have been delayed.

According to the Investor's Day presentation, Wagoneer S and Recon are due out this year, new Durango, Compass, and Cherokee next year, and the Chrysler CUV in 2026.

 

[TripleT]

You think they have the same hatch integration issue? Recon unlikely.