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The basis for people thinking there are delays is because it is reported as such. "Wait a little longer" or "pushed back" means delayed beyond what was initially reported as planned, official or not. No offence to insiders or the company. Insider is taken as gospel because they are high respected.
You have seen new products. The JL Wrangler, DT 1500, Pacifica and Pacifica Hybrid, the Gladiator, the Compass, every Alfa Romeo product beyond the 4C, the 1.3-liter Turbo in the Compass and Renegade, and the E-torque system (engine and all). Some of the most important stuff might not be here yet but it's not like absolutely nothing has come out of FCA. I understand we're all anxious and annoyed that some of the new product has been delayed again but relax. It's 2019, we're darn near the start of delicious new product!Times could all be changing and maybe the powers that be don't have a real roadmap on which way to turn.. nothing lasts forever..maybe we'll never see anything new
Top auto executives are privately very worried about the state of auto sales
Despite the bullish speeches at the New York auto show, there's a sense of growing concern among industry leaders and analysts.www.cnbc.com
"They" who stated the engine would be a 2.9L? I'm not saying it couldn't be, but I thought it was said it was going to be 3.x-liter engine.
That's all fine and well, nobody said that they shouldn't invest in the future and take their time at that. But they are investing in the current cars and it can be argued that it's a waste. We can wait a year or two longer for the next cars but without even a lite refresh to the current? Why not? 7 years with the same look (Trickle down looks making every trim identitcal isn't a refresh)? Because instead of doing a little tweak to the nose on the volume sellers they did it to the 40k+ models with widebody kits etc. Further, if the rumors are true, all this investment in a muscle image only to ditch the affordable V8 in the next car and go with Euro-style powertrains... I don't see current investment sensibility in that (if that s actually happening in 2022 or whenever). And no, a T6 is not muscle. As powerful and grand as it may be it's not muscle. Which is prefectly fine and even an exciting prospect (the SRT rumors are titillating). There are plenty of ways to look at things that aren't apologetics and are perfectly valid. Dissent is patriotic
On Allpar, insiders (NOT ALL) would angrily rebuke you if you didn't swallow exactly what they were serving. "It's been said multiple times" that xyz would be happening is the benign form of response you'd get, and you'd get called lazy for not reading through 100+ pages of thread to see what was said or even accused of intentionally spreading false info if you speculated on whether their info was likely, because their word was the end all be all, which is fine, they're the insiders and we love them! So insiders info was enforced as gospel, it did come caveats SOMETIMES as being speculative. I remember posting that maybe the 5.7 won't get replaced right away with the I6 and got my head ripped off because insiders had stated multiple times that it would. Or when others were sceptical that the L platform would actually be replaced by the G they'd get nasty rebukes... kind of like yours right now... But I refer back to the manner in which "delays" are reported like "we'll be waiting longer than expected" etc, that would read as "delays" to anyone. If insiders are so adamant about the validity of their content that it's as good as an announcement from the company to the layman on a forum. Don't blame us.
Also, speculating and debating and moaning and celebrating is what enthusiasts do. Enthusiasts are passionate and passion generates impassioned POV's. There is nothing wrong with it. What is the point of a forum then? Forums are two-way streets as far as laymen and insiders go. The alternative for those that can't handle dissenting opinions are articles with no comments but where is the fun and passion in that? And in defence of Allpar, this forum is dead. The admins are considering killing it bc it's dead and not worth the cost. On Allpar, at least our moaning and discussions keep the place alive, jeez.On Allpar, insiders (NOT ALL) would angrily rebuke you if you didn't swallow exactly what they were serving. "It's been said multiple times" that xyz would be happening is the begin form of response, and you'd get called lazy for not reading through 100+ pages of thread to see what was said or even accused of intentionally spreading false info if you speculated on whether their info was likely, because their word was the end all be all, which is fine, they're the insiders and we love them! So insiders info was enforced as gospel, it did come caveats SOMETIMES as being speculative. I remember posting that maybe the 5.7 won't get replaced right away with the I6 and got my head ripped off because insiders had stated multiple times that it would. Or when others were sceptical that the L platform would actually be replaced by the G and would get nasty rebukes... kind of like yours right now... But I refer back to the manner in which "delays" are reported like "we'll be waiting longer than expected" etc, that would read as "delays" to anyone.
Also, if we say that the company hasn't announced anything and the current cars are getting long in the tooth and they need to work on updates, we get angry replies that the company is working on things. Then when those things don't manifest and we say something about delays we get your reply. It's really an unfair demon-ization... no pun intended
I explained it if you read it. They're pushing the big muscle image only to go Euro in 3 years? IF thats the case I don't see how it worth ignoring the volume trims that need a refresh to push expensive add ons that wont match the image in a few years.
Thanks for this. It makes a lot more sense. Love it!
Seems you didn't read my post. I didn't say we don't now have 5.0 competitive powertrains, I said from the rumors we won't in the next gen, with an I6 competing with the 5.0 and V8's pushed upmarket. However, the above posts imply its not necessarily the case. Also, I said 3 years is a while to wait for the new products while leaving the current the same. Trickledown is not updated, it's trickledown. The argument (not mine) is that 3 years is not far off and so a lite refresh is not justified. So I'm turning that over, is it justified to spend money on $6k widebody packages as PR for the brand only to drop that image in 3 years (if 3 years is not a log time?). I'd say refresh the volume sellers. I stick to my first point, 3 years is long enough to justify a refresh.
