Charger Daytona delayed? Prototypes supposedly failing.

[redriderbob]

We all knew these EV "Chargers" wouldn't sell. But apparently it's worse than expected. There are credible sources online saying that Dodge has taken 82 orders for this car. Eighty two. They were selling almost 80,000 Chargers a year, and they just released an all-new model and they got 82 orders?!

This is beyond bad. This is shaping up to be the worst flop of a car in the U.S. of my entire lifetime....and I lived through the Yugo years.

Those were internal sales in the company before the rollout to dealers

 

[TripleT]

hahahaha it a sales failure that isn't for sale on a slow roll out.... brillant.

The Cheerleading for failure is diabolical

 

[WXman]

hahahaha it a sales failure that isn't for sale on a slow roll out.... brillant.

The Cheerleading for failure is diabolical

No cheerleading is needed. The car is doing enough failing on its own. Look at Stellantis scrambling now. Cancelling or heavily delaying the REV, accelerating the Six Pack Charger, talking about a V8 possible future again, etc. It's funny. If they had just listened to CUSTOMERS to begin with....

 

[AlexB]

hahahaha it a sales failure that isn't for sale on a slow roll out.... brillant.

The Cheerleading for failure is diabolical

Like folks can name the Hybrids GM actual sell in the United States....Stellantis has 3.

 

[TripleT]

Like folks can name the Hybrids GM actual sell in the United States....Stellantis has 3.

4 but 2 of them a cousins..... GM has 10 EV models.

I willing to bet nearly everyone of them will have REEV (PHEV) version by 27'

 

[patfromigh]

I willing to bet nearly everyone of them will have REEV (PHEV) version by 27'

The zero emissions mandates means any vehicle with a tailpipe is out of bounds for half the country. CARB has a sliding scale for PHEV and lumps REEV in with them. In the first year only 20% of PHEV will qualify. It doesn't matter if it is a Hellcat Hemi or a 1,200cc three cylinder range extender charging the batteries in an EV, it has a tailpipe. You've said manufacturers won't invest for only half the country.

CARB thrives on the ambiguity in the Federal laws and regulations. Eliminate those ambiguities in the law and CARB weakens.

 

[TripleT]

The zero emissions mandates means any vehicle with a tailpipe is out of bounds for half the country. CARB has a sliding scale for PHEV and lumps REEV in with them. In the first year only 20% of PHEV will qualify. It doesn't matter if it is a Hellcat Hemi or a 1,200cc three cylinder range extender charging the batteries in an EV, it has a tailpipe. You've said manufacturers won't invest for only half the country.

CARB thrives on the ambiguity in the Federal laws and regulations. Eliminate those ambiguities in the law and CARB weakens.

Never said that, I have said the opposite, I said that it puts them in a bad position from a manufacturing position. REEV solves this.

CARB will double down or accelerate as an opposition to Trump., before they roll back.

REEVs are a saving grace from a Manufacturing position. Anyone that has seen a Skateboard line versus a unibody line will acknowledge this.

Please Name the OEM.... all the Keyboard CEO that doesn't have a EV ready to market for CARB compliance. As we advocate for STLA to disregard the regulation and not do business with half the country, WHILE everyone does. GM, Toyota, Honda, Ford, VW group, Korea corp, Mazda, Nissan, JLR .... if your selling in NA or Europe you have Municipality compliant EV and PHEVs.

Only one you can point to is RV where it is nearly impossible, CARB didn't give a crap, they played chicken an lost.

And yes I take Cookie bets also on GM having REEV versions of multiples of their EVs to address the blue nation in between the coasts.

 

[patfromigh]

I'm using Toyota as an example because the Toyota Dealers Council president provided some details in an interview by Larry P. Vellequette from Automotive News. The dealers are lobbying heavily in the CARB states to slow the mandate process. Automotive News is behind a paywall, but Kirk Kreifels quoted from the article on his You Tube channel while speculating the next Toyota Highlander. CARB rules dictate that in 2026 35& of new vehicles must be "zero emissions". (My term, I forget what the official term CARB uses is.) Of that 35%, no more than 20% can be PHEV. Toyota sold 2.3 million vehicles in the US. Doing the math, Kreifels then says, "Let's estimate 50% of Toyota sales are in CARB states: 1.15 million * 35% = 400,000 EVs minimum, of which only 80,000 can be PHEV ..."

Toyota is spending billions of Dollars for battery and EV production in North America, they are not playing chicken. The problem is a vast majority of American consumers don't want battery electric vehicles.

 

[TripleT]

I'm using Toyota as an example because the Toyota Dealers Council president provided some details in an interview by Larry P. Vellequette from Automotive News. The dealers are lobbying heavily in the CARB states to slow the mandate process. Automotive News is behind a paywall, but Kirk Kreifels quoted from the article on his You Tube channel while speculating the next Toyota Highlander. CARB rules dictate that in 2026 35& of new vehicles must be "zero emissions". (My term, I forget what the official term CARB uses is.) Of that 35%, no more than 20% can be PHEV. Toyota sold 2.3 million vehicles in the US. Doing the math, Kreifels then says, "Let's estimate 50% of Toyota sales are in CARB states: 1.15 million * 35% = 400,000 EVs minimum, of which only 80,000 can be PHEV ..."

Toyota is spending billions of Dollars for battery and EV production in North America, they are not playing chicken. The problem is a vast majority of American consumers don't want battery electric vehicles.

Yes the consumers and regulators are mismatched. If the majority of consumer voted with their dollars like the pull the actual levers this mismatch would exist.

Toyota is doing REEV solution where the same platform works across regulatory environments.