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When will the PHEV Tornado be released (IE, why can Volvo do it yet Stellantis is having so much trouble)

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What’s up with the PHEV Tornado? No better time than now.
 
Is theZF line at Gray Court, SC running the next generation hybrid transmissions yet? The Power Line 8 speed for trucks isn't due until next calendar year. That isn't a hybrid, but I don't know which comes first.
 
patfromigh said:
Is theZF line at Gray Court, SC running the next generation hybrid transmissions yet? The Power Line 8 speed for trucks isn't due until next calendar year. That isn't a hybrid, but I don't know which comes first.
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www.bmwblog.com

BMW XM inline-six PHEV might come to European markets

The BMW XM could be offered with a 3.0 liter inline-six engine paired with an electric motor for a total output of at least 600 horsepower
www.bmwblog.com www.bmwblog.com

I just can’t see either BMW or Chrysler not bringing an inline six PHEV to market now that the Inflation bill has passed. It would be insane if both STLA and BMW decided “yeah we’re not interested in that market”.

BMW and STLA have split ZF eight speed (before that, six speed) tooling costs for what - 15 years now?

People who try to tell you this isn’t economically viable are 1) lying 2) gaslighting/********ting you

Before they even try to finish, be sure to interrupt them and say - EIGHT BILLION IN PROFIT IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2022, MORE PEOPLE WORKING AT CTC NOW THAN EVER BEFORE.
 
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I’m just tired of the photoshop edition cars, get some actual product on the road that people care about.
 
According to ZF the next Gen 8-speed will start production at Gray Court, SC in 2025. California wants over one third of private passenger vehicle sales to be battery electric by 2026.
 
Aren’t they using the 4th Gen ZF 8speed already with the PHEV Wrangler/Grand Cherokee?

My guess is that they are waiting on the 5th generation ZF to make it the entry level option for the next generation Ram 1500 (DU?) and also use it as the higher trim option for Jeep / Dodge.

3.0 SO for entry level, 3.0 HO for medium/high trim, 3.0 PHEV for top trim, V8s in SRT trims.
 
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Fourth generation started in April on a limited basis for strictly high end EU vehicles. Full production slowly ramps up in Europe with the Gray Court line starting in 2025.
www.zf.com

Fourth Generation of 8HP Approaching Start of Volume Production - ZF

The fourth generation of the ZF 8HP is geared towards fully integrated hybrid systems. It supports the transition towards electric mobility.
www.zf.com www.zf.com

The rear drive based PHEV Jeeps use the Gen III 8-speed. It remains to be seen what the GVW limit of the Gen 4 transmission will be, so the older transmission may hang around a little longer for body on frame trucks and SUVs.
 
So 2025+ Grand Cherokee/Wrangler/Charger/Challenger are going full EV and not PHEV? That would be terribly disappointing if true, a wasted opportunity with the Tornado.

I can’t believe they would drop the ball with this. If the future is full EVs or 3L’s without a PHEV, I’m out. That 3L will have enough stress from increased pressure/temperature; the PHEV is useful to extend both engine longevity and vehicle range.

The Hornet PHEV implementation is a good one, they need to continue that with the other vehicles.
 
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Honestly, they could do the Hornet PHEV sequencing in Italy, pack them up into Knock Down Kits, and assemble them here in stalls. It's been done before.
 
My guess is you'll be waiting until its refresh time for the GC, 3 years min. They literally just debuted it with the pentastar, I6 = re-crash testing and certification

They DO have more money sloshing around now though, I am just conditioned to believe they are broke as usual and have to pinch pennies lol
 
cygnus said:
insideevs.com

All-New Range Rover PHEVs Bring Way More... Range

The all-new Range Rover will offer two extended range PHEV models, the 434-hp P430e that will come to the US for the 2023 model year and the 503-hp P510e.
insideevs.com insideevs.com

depressing that these chumps are able to do it and Chrysler can't.
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In a previous post I stated, "Fourth generation started in April on a limited basis for strictly high end EU vehicles. Full production slowly ramps up in Europe with the Gray Court line starting in 2025." Range Rover is perhaps that high end automaker. My guess was BMW since that company provided vehicles for the Gen IV prototypes. I don't expect to see the Gen IV 8-speed in CDJR vehicles until 2025 when the PHEV system is in full production. Perhaps then we'll also see the new generation of mild hybrids based on the Generation IV ZF 8-speed.

If one hasn't been following the news from the Peoples Republic of California this week, the CARB has banned the sale of ICE powered passenger vehicles. The phase out begins in 2026. That jeopardizes production plans for automakers and suppliers who want to build hybrids. BTW, the day after the announcement the Governor announced charging restriction on EVs due to the electricity shortage in that state.
 
They are essential banning private transportation in the state of California. As they currently do not have the supply to even keep homes cool, and do not plan to add any substantial capacity.
 
patfromigh said:
In a previous post I stated, "Fourth generation started in April on a limited basis for strictly high end EU vehicles. Full production slowly ramps up in Europe with the Gray Court line starting in 2025." Range Rover is perhaps that high end automaker. My guess was BMW since that company provided vehicles for the Gen IV prototypes. I don't expect to see the Gen IV 8-speed in CDJR vehicles until 2025 when the PHEV system is in full production. Perhaps then we'll also see the new generation of mild hybrids based on the Generation IV ZF 8-speed.

If one hasn't been following the news from the Peoples Republic of California this week, the CARB has banned the sale of ICE powered passenger vehicles. The phase out begins in 2026. That jeopardizes production plans for automakers and suppliers who want to build hybrids. BTW, the day after the announcement the Governor announced charging restriction on EVs due to the electricity shortage in that state.
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Let them buy overpriced EVs
 
BMW to unveil their new V8 (!!!!) PHEV on September 27th - BMW XM Debut Allegedly Happening On September 27

Really sad that Chrysler is walking away from the V8 - there is a way forward with the PHEV. A halo V8 PHEV could be shared between a new Dodge Viper, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and a Chrysler vehicle...all based on STLA Large.

Blah blah blah Chrysler is BEV only - I guarantee people would be lining up for those three offerings. All are uniquely different styles, and tell the industry - we run this.

Instead you have overpriced Lithium NMC wannabe lifestyle vehicles - SAD!
 
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