Should Stellantis Build a Smaller HEMI® V8?

Should Stellantis Build a Smaller HEMI® V8?​

Exploring a Modern HEMI® V8’s Potential in Stellantis' Lineup Amidst Shifting Industry Trends...​

The push for electrification has transformed the automotive industry, yet internal combustion engines (ICEs) remain a cornerstone of vehicle sales. Companies like Ford and General Motors (GM) continue to refine their V8 engines, demonstrating that innovation in ICEs still has a role in the modern market.

Should Stellantis Build a Smaller HEMI® V8?

Stellantis' push for electrification has transformed the automotive industry, yet internal combustion engines (ICEs) remain a cornerstone of vehicle sales. Companies like Ford and General Motors (GM) continue to refine their V8 engines, demonstrating that innovation in ICEs still has a role in...

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[vbondjr1]

There is an old saying. "Those who do not remember history are bound to repeat it." I say that to put emphasis on the fact that this next Chapter of Mopar needs to be a very well balanced chapter if this journey is to continue. Just because there is a good chance that the EV mandates are going to be pushed back and the regulations are going to be relaxed doesn't mean that the Mopar brands should immediately rush back into everything being a full bore old school, pushrod "this is the way they did it back in my day" V8. Stellantis, North American, still needs to push forward with the Hurricane engines, the 4Xe program and a new DOHC V8 to move the company forward into the future without having issues down the line like they currently have.
However,
There actually is something that Stellantis CAN DO, to really satisfy alot of enthusiast and make alot of money back and not have to really worry about a bunch of CAFE regulations and all of that other jazz. There are alot of Mopar enthusiasts out there who are planning to keep their current Mopar muscle cars and I think it could be a great idea to actually have Direct Connection offer connect and cruise swap kits for those of us with 05-23 Chargers, Challengers, 300s, Magnums and Durangos that want to modify what we have and get stuff that is guaranteed to work and not always have to try and either piece together things and all of that other stuff. Offering a full connect and cruise kit like GM Does but with either the 5.7L Hemi, the 6.4L Hemi or the 6.2L Hellcat V8 with the 8-speed transmission or even a 6.1L Hemi with a 5-speed auto transmission behind it along with the wiring harnesses, TCM and ECM for plug and play performance. Even beyond that Direct Connection could offer those same packages with the old Mopar Stage-3 kit for the 5.7L that offered the 6.4L Heads, a hotter cam a tuned ECU and an SRT exhaust along with some other stuff that gave it about 450hp or something around those numbers as an option along with a 6.4L package that is stroked to either 426ci or even 440ci naturally aspirated. That shouldn't be hard since the Hellephant is a 7-liter (426ci) engine already so it's not like the technology isn't there. To be honest, Direct Connection is such an untapped force that Stellantis should be using to make money hand over fist and I don't think they truly realize it. If people out here are figuring out ways to do all kinds of engine swaps, interior swaps and all kinds of stuff, what is stopping Stellantis from offering up parts and kits for it do be done properly and in a plug and play manner in their Direct Connection catalog? What stops them from partnering with certain aftermarket companies for aero upgrades, wheels, performance exhaust systems, performance upgrades, interior upgrades, lighting upgrades etc. on a larger scale? Most car manufacturers know that the bulk of the money isn't the sale of the car, it's the after sale, it's accessories and maintenance that bring in the numbers that keep the company moving. With that being common knowledge to manufacturers, A company like Stellantis should be working every single angle to ensure their cash cows keep bringing in cash which should mean that every single Mopar dealership in the country should be a power brokers dealership, every single dealership should have a Jeep off road accessories and Ram accessories. Even with the upcoming hurricane powertrains and the potential of a more modern V8. It's great to have products that customers want in the way of the cars that are being sold, but retention is key. Manufacturers that make cars such as what Mopar has, Ford with their Mustang and GM with the truly missed Camaro and the Corvette, should really take advantage of what they have. It should be priority that if a company sells a hot car that there is ample support for that car or those cars so that the customer can have the option to look directly to the brand for certain levels of customization before looking elsewhere. All of that to say that I think Stellantis is still a brand with alot of potential and that there are alot of ways to still bring that excitement and satisfy their obligations to the EPA and CAFE and all of that all at the same time.

 

[WXman]

Just my opinion....

What Stellantis needs to do is take notes from Ford. When Ford decided to build a V8 to carry them through the 2010s and into the 2020s, they not only built it to flow a TON of air (i.e., superior horsepower per liter) but they also made it 5.0 liters in displacement. This achieved two things: it put them ahead of their competition in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times and it also brought back middle aged guys who viewed the old 5.0 as legendary. Everybody was thrilled to see "5.0" badges on the cars again. Nostalgia. These two things have sold Mustangs like hot cakes since 2011 and it continues today.

Dodge needs to build a new, modern V8 that will carry their company through the 2020s and perhaps into the 2030s if we're lucky. And it needs to be a historically significant displacement. I think 383 c.i. would be good. That's the sweet spot for displacement. It's large enough that you can get power from it without as much emissions, it's small enough that it would be easier to package, and how cool would 383 badges be on a Dodge again??

The problem is that Stellantis does not understand America, nor do they care. If they want to save their business, they better hire some execs who care. And fast.

 

[Jeeper1961]

A new smaller V8 is a must have. Stellantis North America cannot afford not to do this. Please hurry.
As far as electrification, we don't have the grid or the infrastructure to support it anyway. And the tax credit is most likely going away too. I expect a lot of electric vehicles to be sitting on dealer lots longer than the Hornet.
And I am not implying that the Hornet is a bad car. Most people don't even know it exists.
I would love to see a new small block V8 in the Ram and Charger and a few Jeeps. Please hurry.

 

[TripleT]

You want them to build a V8 for marketing purposes....

Yes, they don't understand America, I don't understand Americas as engineer. Don't pretend it's about caring, it about throwing reason and logic to the wind, to have a slower, heavier, less potent, less potential, more fragile, more complex, more thirsty, dirtier engine just to make a narrow segment that even moves the plastic cover happy.

Face it, it all marketing. It is the narrowest of segments that even fiddle with their engine enough to know how cylinders it has. And to that point nearly NONE of them are new vehicle buyers. There 18 years of LX to fiddle with so there are decades worth for builders.

Yes they don't understand or maybe they do, because Toyotas and Honda are flying off the lots with NO physical connection between the ICE powerplant and drivetrain.

They produced one last enthusiast engine for performance masses before everything is a Miller Cycle generator, and instead of embracing it and it clear superiority over the outgoing lump (beloved as it is) the primary compliant it isn't what it used be.

 

[TripleT]

A new smaller V8 is a must have. Stellantis North America cannot afford not to do this. Please hurry.
As far as electrification, we don't have the grid or the infrastructure to support it anyway. And the tax credit is most likely going away too. I expect a lot of electric vehicles to be sitting on dealer lots longer than the Hornet.
And I am not implying that the Hornet is a bad car. Most people don't even know it exists.
I would love to see a new small block V8 in the Ram and Charger and a few Jeeps. Please hurry.

I hope you don't live in a CARB state.

But the CARB state regulation, in absence of a massive political swing in those states, is not going away. This is half the population of the USA.

In 6 Weeks RVs are banned in half those states, without EV models STLA would either have to pay people to drive Teslas or close dealerships. "Its not a Joke" as our outgoing leader says.

They can't abandon half population, and the Fed no matter who is in charge has no say on what those state can regulate it is settled law.

As for supply and infrastructure you are correct, but those making the regulation are quite happy with that, because they don't believe in private transport for anyone but themselves.

As for a small V8? They already have a superior powerplant, it just doesn't have the complexity of 2 valve trains and 2 extra cylinders.

 

[WXman]

You want them to build a V8 for marketing purposes....

Yes, they don't understand America, I don't understand Americas as engineer. Don't pretend it's about caring, it about throwing reason and logic to the wind, to have a slower, heavier, less potent, less potential, more fragile, more complex, more thirsty, dirtier engine just to make a narrow segment that even moves the plastic cover happy.

Face it, it all marketing. It is the narrowest of segments that even fiddle with their engine enough to know how cylinders it has. And to that point nearly NONE of them are new vehicle buyers. There 18 years of LX to fiddle with so there are decades worth for builders.

Yes they don't understand or maybe they do, because Toyotas and Honda are flying off the lots with NO physical connection between the ICE powerplant and drivetrain.

They produced one last enthusiast engine for performance masses before everything is a Miller Cycle generator, and instead of embracing it and it clear superiority over the outgoing lump (beloved as it is) the primary compliant it isn't what it used be.

I thought the "logic" in building cars was to sell them? It's been proven that nobody cares about Stellantis' econobox offerings. The Dodge/Jeep/Ram brands are bought by people who are enthusiasts and feel a relationship with the vehicle they drive. If THIS company wants to survive they have to go back to what they are known for. Otherwise Ford and GM are going to keep stealing their sales.

 

[TripleT]

I thought the "logic" in building cars was to sell them? It's been proven that nobody cares about Stellantis' econobox offerings. The Dodge/Jeep/Ram brands are bought by people who are enthusiasts and feel a relationship with the vehicle they drive. If THIS company wants to survive they have to go back to what they are known for. Otherwise Ford and GM are going to keep stealing their sales.

The incoming powerplant destroy the Eagle and Apache, and there are Hellcat beaters on the test stand... THE LOGIC. But it is being ignored because marketing as near as I can tell, sure worked on you. If performance isn't important to one, one is not an enthusiast one is a poser. Same goes with exhaust note, it is part of the experience but cannot be it.

Ford and GM. GM makes one performance car that isn't full EV moving forward and even that is moving that way, and it basically a bespoke exotic. There is no volume in that car to steal.

An Ford is always waffling on the edge of ending the Mustang, and is moving to make the V8 a bespoke halo model.

Both are full decade ahead on electrification and have been sell low displacement turbos in their pickups and ponys for more than that time.

There are NO STLA econobox sold in the USA, Hornet's sister is premium mid and it was only to fill a gap, So that is pretty misplaced. The closest thing is the Compass and it does quite well.

 

[Jeeper1961]

A new small block V8 (4.5L) doesn't have to be a dirty engine. It can still be an efficient, clean engine and be penalty free from CARB emissions penalties. Of which, I do expect those penalties to be reduced with the incoming administration.
The only reason Dodge has survived the last 10 years was by taking old designs and making them extremely fun, good looking and fast cars. Until the Hornet, they hadn't had a new car in quite some time. To say that Dodge and Chrysler had been overlooked and underappreciated by Stellantis and Fiat, is an understatement. It is just my opinion, but I don't think the people currently driving Challengers and Chargers are going to rush out and buy an electric version of the next Dodge. We finally had the younger generation loving Dodge because they made cool cars. As good as the new I6 engine is, I think a new, small V8 would be well received. I think it should have a dipstick, though.

 

[TripleT]

A new small block V8 (4.5L) doesn't have to be a dirty engine. It can still be an efficient, clean engine and be penalty free from CARB emissions penalties. Of which, I do expect those penalties to be reduced with the incoming administration.
The only reason Dodge has survived the last 10 years was by taking old designs and making them extremely fun, good looking and fast cars. Until the Hornet, they hadn't had a new car in quite some time. To say that Dodge and Chrysler had been overlooked and underappreciated by Stellantis and Fiat, is an understatement. It is just my opinion, but I don't think the people currently driving Challengers and Chargers are going to rush out and buy an electric version of the next Dodge. We finally had the younger generation loving Dodge because they made cool cars. As good as the new I6 engine is, I think a new, small V8 would be well received. I think it should have a dipstick, though.

Simply not true, Fiat sunk billion if not trillions in NA market that shares very little with the rest of the world outside Jeep. The merger put it back 9-16 months put the launches back, in the end it will be better for the Charger because finally isn't width trapped by the Renault plant.

The CARB states need a EV charger or they get none. And that ignores the fact the i6 is being advanced. Maserati had nearly the engine you speak of and it was less potent then the i6... I6 solves a lot of issues inherit to the v8 configuration.

Have you had a dipstickless engine yet? I was not thrilled but it WAY better, people don't know how to use them anymore anyway, but the sensor in my Guilia told me that I was 1/4 quart low, slick a can be.

 

[Jeeper1961]

Simply not true, Fiat sunk billion if not trillions in NA market that shares very little with the rest of the world outside Jeep. The merger put it back 9-16 months put the launches back, in the end it will be better for the Charger because finally isn't width trapped by the Renault plant.

The CARB states need a EV charger or they get none. And that ignores the fact the i6 is being advanced. Maserati had nearly the engine you speak of and it was less potent then the i6... I6 solves a lot of issues inherit to the v8 configuration.

Have you had a dipstickless engine yet? I was not thrilled but it WAY better, people don't know how to use them anymore anyway, but the sensor in my Guilia told me that I was 1/4 quart low, slick a can be.

True. Under Fiat we got the Avenger. How many of those are still around. Other than that, Dodge got no new models that I can think of. The currently outgoing Challenger/Charger models date to the Daimler era. Fiat did sink some monies into Ram and Jeep and those brands have done well. Dodge survived by being innovative and creative with performance upgrades to older generation cars. Also true.
Why are you so against a new V8 when one may already be in the pipeline? I think the I6 is a good engine, especially for trucks. But it's just one engine. Let us dreamers have a glimmer of hope for some classic American muscle which is what Dodge is all about.

 

[TripleT]

True. Under Fiat we got the Avenger. How many of those are still around. Other than that, Dodge got no new models that I can think of. The currently outgoing Challenger/Charger models date to the Daimler era. Fiat did sink some monies into Ram and Jeep and those brands have done well. Dodge survived by being innovative and creative with performance upgrades to older generation cars. Also true.
Why are you so against a new V8 when one may already be in the pipeline? I think the I6 is a good engine, especially for trucks. But it's just one engine. Let us dreamers have a glimmer of hope for some classic American muscle which is what Dodge is all about.

Avenger????? The Jeep... or the Mitsubishi, or the 4 door Mitsubishi platform?

Dodge got a car... people didn't want cars. Chrysler got a car (they have to have a car) people didn't want cars. Chyrsler got a new minivan ... people want SUVs

There biliions and billions there. Under Fiat ever single model was gone through and made into a sellable model. I owned both 06 and 16 Charger and they are not the same vehicles. Not close even though the platform remained each part was gone through.

Not against the V8 .... I believe a bespoke V8 as a SRT exclusive similar to Ford and GM is order but the volume should be low as it just going to be too fragile. See what is happening with the Coyote and Red Eyes... Constant valvetrain issues. Geometry is a bitch.

I am for the I6 to be given a chance. Most people never even move the plastic cover will tell you it has to be V8. It pure marketing. The I6 has huge potential and all there is betching because it not a imbalanced V8.

I loved my Apache. Wonderful for the time.

 

[Hemi_Dart]

From your mouth to Gods ears!! A smaller Hemi really would be a great idea. If your sources are correct that is great news. If not, the time window to develop it and put it in production, like the article says could be a problem. We don’t know who we get in 4 years. If it’s someone who follows Trumps ideas we could be good, if it’s another Biden tree hugger, we get the EV mandated back. Like always, we can be late for the party once again.

Biden is a mindless sellout who always wants his cut. Calling him a Tree Hugger gives him too much credit.

 

[Hemi_Dart]

This is the same conversation that I've been having for the past 12 years. Zero development in N.A. V8s thanks to Upper Management and Tim Kuniskis. Hemi's are fantastic race engines with boost...Now, how about developing a NA V8 that's much more efficient, lighter. Many of us hoped the 392 would have used an Aluminum block in 2011. No improvements since while Chevy & Ford have several variations of Direct Injected, High Compression, Aluminum block V8s offered even in their base V8 trucks and SRT still used cast iron blocks. I'm sick of CDJR being 15 years behind and Management is to blame.

 

[TripleT]

"3.8-litre V8 engine is a perfect representation of Maserati’s performance tradition; it’s an EURO 6 homologated engine combined with a 12% reduction in emissions and consumption versus the previous EURO 5 engine, thanks in part to the Start&Stop system. The engine produces 390 kW (530 hp) of power at 6,800 rpm and accompanies this with 650 Nm of torque from 2,000 rpm to 4,000 rpm. This maximum normal torque figure can be automatically overboosted to 710 Nm from 2,250 rpm to 3,500 rpm."

This is the same conversation that I've been having for the past 12 years. Zero development in N.A. V8s thanks to Upper Management and Tim Kuniskis. Hemi's are fantastic race engines with boost...Now, how about developing a NA V8 that's much more efficient, lighter. Many of us hoped the 392 would have used an Aluminum block in 2011. No improvements since while Chevy & Ford have several variations of Direct Injected, High Compression, Aluminum block V8s offered even in their base V8 trucks and SRT still used cast iron blocks. I'm sick of CDJR being 15 years behind and Management is to blame.

The Heads were popping off, well they still are on the Iron block. not uncommon as so they are also on the Coyotes.

The Coyote under performs other than in low volume Halo models where they can manage the engine failures or blame the owners. GM is putting some awesome bespoke engines in it very exclusive and pretty rare Vette, other than that they have move on.

The Truck GM V8 underperforms even the base Hurricane at 5.3L EcoTec3 V8 engine 355 hp 383 lb-ft of torque and so does the Coyote Ford V8 400 hp 410 lb.-ft. of torque,

I am sorry I DON' GET IT..... exactly why do we want a heavier more complicated and lower power engine for our Pickups and Volume performance Cars?

HEMI, that there got a HEMI ..... AWESOME marketing maybe too Awesome.

Management has introduced a new line of engines that outperform the previous engines and it seems some cannot get over what it isn't, not what it is.

Even a Bespoke Halo Model V8 would only slightly outperform the potential in the new I6, and would purely be marketing.

We keep going around on this, but the same reason the Cummin beats the GM and Ford .... no on in the HD world wishes there Cummin was a V8. Basically, one is in the same world when we are talking about high boast and DI, the internal pressures keeping the valve train intact is a big deal. It is geometry issue the I engine configuration gives you room to secure it in a way that is impossible in a V8. Not to mention that it only one and I6 is perfectly balanced while a V8 is not.

Continue to get no acknowledgement on this other than we want what we want even though it might not make sense..... I don't know if anyone else has ever had to get a ROI approved for a multi-million dollar project, I have.... Not to mention to write one for multi-BILLION dollar project, I can't even imagine.

So no offense to anyone here and if I sometimes come off harsh or direct that is the Engineer in me. But is dang near impossible to get Project approved on its just what people want, there has to been hard factual reason documented why and with none of the technical solved for a mass production engine. I love V8 also but when I look at the engineering challenges and the performance realities, I can't figure out a viable ROI on it. Seems to me the best money spent is on marketing.

Evil Management just spent a crap load of money on engine that benchmarks and exceeds all the Volume offering in world, and now you have to go back and ask for money for something less, so it can be a more fragile configuration based on the old solution? It just has to be a V8 and just has to be marketed as a Hemi .... is not a ROI.

I know they are going to go bankrupt without it.... that is not a ROI either.

I do look at GM and Ford and what I see is that they have moved on to low displacement Turbo engines and Electrification asside from Halo models. I see they offer lower power legacy V8s as legacy option on pickups.

With the EPA fines Mopar moved on, because they were inverted on the volume and didn't have the capacity or offering until now. Maybe they can do the same with Trump administration but it still from pure numbers perspective make little sense.

Don't just write fanfiction.... try to write a viable cost justification. It might be based on marketing on a V8 as that is the only path I see, not technical.

 

[Archknight]

"3.8-litre V8 engine is a perfect representation of Maserati’s performance tradition; it’s an EURO 6 homologated engine combined with a 12% reduction in emissions and consumption versus the previous EURO 5 engine, thanks in part to the Start&Stop system. The engine produces 390 kW (530 hp) of power at 6,800 rpm and accompanies this with 650 Nm of torque from 2,000 rpm to 4,000 rpm. This maximum normal torque figure can be automatically overboosted to 710 Nm from 2,250 rpm to 3,500 rpm."


The Heads were popping off, well they still are on the Iron block. not uncommon as so they are also on the Coyotes.

The Coyote under performs other than in low volume Halo models where they can manage the engine failures or blame the owners. GM is putting some awesome bespoke engines in it very exclusive and pretty rare Vette, other than that they have move on.

The Truck GM V8 underperforms even the base Hurricane at 5.3L EcoTec3 V8 engine 355 hp 383 lb-ft of torque and so does the Coyote Ford V8 400 hp 410 lb.-ft. of torque,

I am sorry I DON' GET IT..... exactly why do we want a heavier more complicated and lower power engine for our Pickups and Volume performance Cars?

HEMI, that there got a HEMI ..... AWESOME marketing maybe too Awesome.

Management has introduced a new line of engines that outperform the previous engines and it seems some cannot get over what it isn't, not what it is.

Even a Bespoke Halo Model V8 would only slightly outperform the potential in the new I6, and would purely be marketing.

We keep going around on this, but the same reason the Cummin beats the GM and Ford .... no on in the HD world wishes there Cummin was a V8. Basically, one is in the same world when we are talking about high boast and DI, the internal pressures keeping the valve train intact is a big deal. It is geometry issue the I engine configuration gives you room to secure it in a way that is impossible in a V8. Not to mention that it only one and I6 is perfectly balanced while a V8 is not.

Continue to get no acknowledgement on this other than we want what we want even though it might not make sense..... I don't know if anyone else has ever had to get a ROI approved for a multi-million dollar project, I have.... Not to mention to write one for multi-BILLION dollar project, I can't even imagine.

So no offense to anyone here and if I sometimes come off harsh or direct that is the Engineer in me. But is dang near impossible to get Project approved on its just what people want, there has to been hard factual reason documented why and with none of the technical solved for a mass production engine. I love V8 also but when I look at the engineering challenges and the performance realities, I can't figure out a viable ROI on it. Seems to me the best money spent is on marketing.

Evil Management just spent a crap load of money on engine that benchmarks and exceeds all the Volume offering in world, and now you have to go back and ask for money for something less, so it can be a more fragile configuration based on the old solution? It just has to be a V8 and just has to be marketed as a Hemi .... is not a ROI.

I know they are going to go bankrupt without it.... that is not a ROI either.

I do look at GM and Ford and what I see is that they have moved on to low displacement Turbo engines and Electrification asside from Halo models. I see they offer lower power legacy V8s as legacy option on pickups.

With the EPA fines Mopar moved on, because they were inverted on the volume and didn't have the capacity or offering until now. Maybe they can do the same with Trump administration but it still from pure numbers perspective make little sense.

Don't just write fanfiction.... try to write a viable cost justification. It might be based on marketing on a V8 as that is the only path I see, not technical.

Supposedly, they have been testing two V8 powered Chargers in MX with a new V8 and a 5.7L. Since the Hurricane engines already have power similar to the HEMI engines, I would assume these variants have more power than the HO I6 or there wouldn't be a point to even trying to fit in a V8 (especially with moving the strut towers for the 5.7 to fit).

We can't trust any of the information coming out of Stellantis other than knowing they had to change course with the issues they had getting the EV versions out the door. Although the 5.7 is a tried and true engine, they need to step it up on these new models and quickly. These brands have been languishing so long no one is looking at them. They could kill off the Hornet and no one would bat an eye, if it allowed them some relief to get the gas powered models of the Charger on dealer lots. We probably won't see any of these models until almost the end of next year.

 

[TripleT]

Supposedly, they have been testing two V8 powered Chargers in MX with a new V8 and a 5.7L. Since the Hurricane engines already have power similar to the HEMI engines, I would assume these variants have more power than the HO I6 or there wouldn't be a point to even trying to fit in a V8 (especially with moving the strut towers for the 5.7 to fit).

We can't trust any of the information coming out of Stellantis other than knowing they had to change course with the issues they had getting the EV versions out the door. Although the 5.7 is a tried and true engine, they need to step it up on these new models and quickly. These brands have been languishing so long no one is looking at them. They could kill off the Hornet and no one would bat an eye, if it allowed them some relief to get the gas powered models of the Charger on dealer lots. We probably won't see any of these models until almost the end of next year.

They don't have similar they have more Horsepower than the Eagle and Apache.

We see the from the Maserati engine, it would be a trick to make more than HD engine which already is easily tuned to 600hp.

Integration is not an EV issue or ICE issue ..... it is an issue. These are no longer cars they are AEVs shaped like cars independent to powertrain.

What I bolded is where I am at.... Why.... In Mexico they could offer a value heritage model with the Eagle with no penalty. But what new V8 would have more HP than HD hurricane?

 

[Archknight]

They don't have similar they have more Horsepower than the Eagle and Apache.

We see the from the Maserati engine, it would be a trick to make more than HD engine which already is easily tuned to 600hp.

Integration is not an EV issue or ICE issue ..... it is an issue. These are no longer cars they are AEVs shaped like cars independent to powertrain.

What I bolded is where I am at.... Why.... In Mexico they could offer a value heritage model with the Eagle with no penalty. But what new V8 would have more HP than HD hurricane?

They are probably thought MX would be a better place to keep the lid on what they were working on and final decisions, since everything they do stateside makes its way online within minutes. As for the Hurricane engines, because of the original "debut" of this engine when it was pulled from the track day event, I'm not so sure they are up to par for the size of this car. There is negativity already surrounding the performance of the engine from owners and reviewers, so I people are anxiously awaiting the alternative. Even if no one has a firsthand account of what the Hurricane can actually do, just hearing negative press from the larger YouTube channels can keep people away. I for one wouldn't mind either in a smaller model, even in a SWB GC or the upcoming Cherokee. There seems to be alot happening at Stellantis, even talks of SRT group returning but with the twist of being a South American team. When I heard they were dusting off the "Phoenix/Magnum" engine they had been working on, I definitely was excited because of it being based on the Ferrari 3.9L V8. My fingers are crossed that we get an all new engine that will spread across CDJR. I also hope the 48V hybrid system makes it way across the brands to not only bring some additional efficiency and performance.

 

[TripleT]

They are probably thought MX would be a better place to keep the lid on what they were working on and final decisions, since everything they do stateside makes its way online within minutes. As for the Hurricane engines, because of the original "debut" of this engine when it was pulled from the track day event, I'm not so sure they are up to par for the size of this car. There is negativity already surrounding the performance of the engine from owners and reviewers, so I people are anxiously awaiting the alternative. Even if no one has a firsthand account of what the Hurricane can actually do, just hearing negative press from the larger YouTube channels can keep people away. I for one wouldn't mind either in a smaller model, even in a SWB GC or the upcoming Cherokee. There seems to be alot happening at Stellantis, even talks of SRT group returning but with the twist of being a South American team. When I heard they were dusting off the "Phoenix/Magnum" engine they had been working on, I definitely was excited because of it being based on the Ferrari 3.9L V8. My fingers are crossed that we get a new an all new engine that will spread across CDJR. I also hope the 48V hybrid system makes it way across the brands to not only bring some additional efficiency and performance.

What understand is you just can't UMP up a Hurricane without addressing the Pistons. They didn't over source the piston and connecting rods. So, you so need to upgrade if you're going to "tune" with boast. I sure people are disappointed they just can't boast up and go.

Lot of these guys just turbo up the Hellcats, Eagles, and Apache or change a spool the hellcat. But lets not pretend they were blowing those engines up also they were. Head blow off before the piston rod break.

I am most excited about the HD with ZF Hybrid... once that is offered I at my CDJR.... I pretty spoiled have Eagle performance without buying gas but once a month.

 

[Archknight]

I am most excited about the HD with ZF Hybrid... once that is offered I at my CDJR.... I pretty spoiled have Eagle performance without buying gas but once a month.

Tell me more about this transmission, I'm curious on your thoughts on how this will align with upcoming models?

 

[TripleT]

Tell me more about this transmission, I'm curious on your thoughts on how this will align with upcoming models?

Well you can replace the torque converter with Motor, A smaller battery than EV fits easily in the floor pan. You take your 550hp and add another 150. You are at 700. You have hellcat level power and ability to daily drive 30 miles on a commute with no fuel used.

Take my money