Jeep® Grand Cherokee 4xe Stop-Sale Issued Over Safety Recall

The Mopar Junkie · 2025-09-25T17:01:02-0700

bill burke · 2025-09-26T07:52:17-0700

Why, why, why, why would anyone buy any vehicle that is critical to everyday needs that is predominately electric ? My ten foot pole statement on the Charger Daytona still has gravitas in fact which all electrics fundamentally carry. It’s evidential science dudes. It’s just so common sense, one should not ignore the evidence no matter how good it makes you feel. I know, save those whales Karen.
Just tell me, anyone, WHY ???

WXman · 2025-09-26T08:35:08-0700

bill burke said:
Why, why, why, why would anyone buy any vehicle that is critical to everyday needs that is predominately electric ? My ten foot pole statement on the Charger Daytona still has gravitas in fact which all electrics fundamentally carry. It’s evidential science dudes. It’s just so common sense, one should not ignore the evidence no matter how good it makes you feel. I know, save those whales Karen.
Just tell me, anyone, WHY ???

Everybody knows that I've been EV skeptical since this push really got going in 2021. And I'm not sure I'd ever go totally electric (I still have my 392 Hemi Challenger which isn't going anywhere). But I will say this: I decided to lease a F-150 Lightning pickup before the tax credit ends, and because the deals are mind blowing on them right now. I leased it because of my skepticism and because I want to try out the technology for a couple years without any real commitment on my part.

I have had the truck now for 6 weeks and I've put almost 1,500 miles on it. I have towed my 26' enclosed camper/car hauler with it. I've taken my wife on a 280 mile trip to the lake with it. I've commuted to work daily in it 40 miles round trip. I've done every single thing with this electric truck that I did with the diesel truck I traded in. And so far the Lightning has proven to be up to the task. The power is amazing and made the transition from diesel to EV easy to adjust to. The additional storage in the "frunk" has been useful. The 120/240 volt onboard outlets all over the truck have been useful. Whereas I was spending $85-100 PER fill-up with the diesel truck, I am now spending $14 per fill-up with the electric truck. My insurance decreased $350/year, likely due to the loads of safety items on this electric truck. The interesting thing about it is that being able to "fill up" at home anytime I want has given me a sense of freedom that I didn't have before. It's hard to explain. You just have to live it. I also never thought I'd like the quiet, peaceful nature of the EV, but as I'm approaching age 50 I guess I am finding that I really like this a lot. My one, and only one, complaint is the range while towing. If the next iteration of this truck allows, say, 250 miles of towing range instead of 100 it would be perfect.

So my takeaway has been this so far: electric vehicles are not for everyone, but they make a good option in many cases and I think options are good for consumers. I am liking this EV pickup truck far more than I expected to. And it's obvious to me the longer I have this that Ford did put in the homework and made a very quality truck with the Lightning. I have seen other guys with 100k to 150k miles on these already being used in the field for work, with no failures and still showing 95% battery efficiency. So that looks promising.

I think what I would add to your statement would be this: "Why, why, why, why would anyone buy a STELLANTIS vehicle that is critical to everyday needs that is predominantly electric?"

patfromigh · 2025-09-26T09:16:03-0700

WXman said:
I think what I would add to your statement would be this: "Why, why, why, why would anyone buy a STELLANTIS vehicle that is critical to everyday needs that is predominantly electric?"

That is a golden statement.

I think what we are witnessing is from the engineering ranks in Auburn Hills being decimated under the old regime.

patfromigh · 2025-09-26T09:46:42-0700

bill burke said:
Just tell me, anyone, WHY ???

The design of the hybrid system in my Toyota dates back to the last few years of the 1950s decade. Maybe that's why the transmission is basically a Buick Dynaflow with a pair of electric motors replacing the fluid coupling. This hybrid design of the Toyota Prius, Ford Maverick, and Chrysler Pacifica wasn't developed for environmental concerns, but in response to the Suez Crisis. The R&D and subsequent patents that resulted are the work not of an auto manufacturer, but a defense contractor, TRW. Energy security was a thing even before peak oil.

After the the TRW patents ran out a number of automakers grabbed the ball and ran with it. Toyota with its family control and dedication to continuous improvement won the race. The one American automaker that took electrification seriously was AMC. Their R&D even continued when everything was consolidated under the roof in Auburn Hills. So what happened? Daimler-Benz looted everything. That's why the front e-axle of the Chrysler Citadel concept is now being made in China for the Chinese.

bill burke · 2025-09-26T11:21:25-0700

patfromigh said:
That is a golden statement.

I think what we are witnessing is from the engineering ranks in Auburn Hills being decimated under the old regime.

You have a point and you guys have found an Achilles heel in my statement. I’m frustrated since my Cherokee is pushing eight years, eleven if you count my first Cherokee and I want a change. I just want to stay with Jeep and the prospects of that are diminishing with every recall. Yes that Carlos just ruined my well laid plans. Hope Jeep comes through for me.

WXman · 2025-09-26T11:49:35-0700

bill burke said:
You have a point and you guys have found an Achilles heel in my statement. I’m frustrated since my Cherokee is pushing eight years, eleven if you count my first Cherokee and I want a change. I just want to stay with Jeep and the prospects of that are diminishing with every recall. Yes that Carlos just ruined my well laid plans. Hope Jeep comes through for me.

We bought a 2018 Cherokee Latitude 4x4 brand new for my wife. It was junk. Burned as much engine oil as gasoline, had a shifter failure, had an issue where the engine would randomly shut off on its own, had a popping in the steering wheel that I assumed was a faulty clock spring (but we never took it to the dealer for that issue), had absolutely no passing power, and used a lot more gasoline than a 4-cylinder should have. She put up with it for 5 years and then decided to ditch it, and she did not go back to Jeep. She and I both like Jeep, but it was obvious to her that it was time to move on from Jeep. So I feel your pain. It's frustrating that after many years of making ZJ Grand Cherokees and XJ Cherokees that were legendary, the brand went downhill and never recovered.

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Jeep® Grand Cherokee 4xe Stop-Sale Issued Over Safety Recall