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Dodge CEO Hints At Another “e-Muscle” Car That Is Waiting In The Wings

Dodge CEO Hints At Another “e-Muscle” Car That Is Waiting In The Wings​

Charger & Challenger Names To Return For 2024...​


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Yesterday, the 2023 Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170 was unveiled, marking the final HEMI®-powered muscle car for the current L-Series generation of cars. In contrast to previous “Last Call” models, which were often underwhelming sticker packages, the new Demon 170 showcases the true capabilities of the Gen3 HEMI engine.

 

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The meeting for Dodges future is today, right? How long would it be until stuff starts to leak out?

Also, another Speed Week in I'm guessing August? Hopefully they can get some mules out before then.
 

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Still would like the return of the Barracuda name, pallet cleaner from the Mitsubishi coupe
 

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Corporate policy and”Euro Think” and not “Dodge Think” could hold the future of Dodge hostage to a likely doomed and delusional decision, namely total electrification of a brand. The reality of this delusion was just yesterday discussed by Stellantis leadership and if followed to fruition, I sadly predict will doom some brands, Dodge among them. Salvation rests with the Hurricane engine family.
I believe there is a place for all electric vehicles in the market today and more so, in the future, but not exclusively for brands like Dodge, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Ram and Jeep in particular. The market demands a gas powered option in these brands and to ignore this glaring fact, is corporate malpractice.
Indeed the future of Dodge rests with corporate policy makers, not Dodge loyalists and customers and going all electric is a fools mission to extinction for Dodge. We know it, they suspect it, but do they have the courage to turn the tide and give Dodge a future?
 

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Corporate policy and”Euro Think” and not “Dodge Think” could hold the future of Dodge hostage to a likely doomed and delusional decision, namely total electrification of a brand. The reality of this delusion was just yesterday discussed by Stellantis leadership and if followed to fruition, I sadly predict will doom some brands, Dodge among them. Salvation rests with the Hurricane engine family.
I believe there is a place for all electric vehicles in the market today and more so, in the future, but not exclusively for brands like Dodge, Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Ram and Jeep in particular. The market demands a gas powered option in these brands and to ignore this glaring fact, is corporate malpractice.
Indeed the future of Dodge rests with corporate policy makers, not Dodge loyalists and customers and going all electric is a fools mission to extinction for Dodge. We know it, they suspect it, but do they have the courage to turn the tide and give Dodge a future?
 

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I agree with you 100%, but the tree huggers will win out for now and all car companies will be electric down the road. the question will be how long will it last. Once the world leaders find out they can not produce enough electric to keep your lights on, your frig running, your hear and Air Conditions going along with charging the millions of cars, the light will go on (no pun intended) and they will be forced to go back to gas engines.
 

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I agree with you 100%, but the tree huggers will win out for now and all car companies will be electric down the road. the question will be how long will it last. Once the world leaders find out they can not produce enough electric to keep your lights on, your frig running, your hear and Air Conditions going along with charging the millions of cars, the light will go on (no pun intended) and they will be forced to go back to gas engines.

It not the tree huggers as much as the totalitarians. Liquid fuel is nearly impossible to control through ESG methods. They don't care if someone wants to have a cool house or commute to work. Maybe you shouldn't

I am a bit tired of the Manufactures should take a stand against it, argument. OH really... the population isn't why should they? This is being "Democratized" into existence, driven by the EPA, and the most totalitarian lead states in the Unions which hold half the population.

The car companies are only reacting to the regulatory realities they face in 28' they just can't poop that capacity it had to start NOW. The biggest concern is the complexity in having 2 distinct types of powerplants that have different Architectual needs how long can they afford to offer both.

Its a profound error to believe they care if you can drive or not, they would prefer us plebes take public transportation.
 

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TTT, Your response is thoughtful and scholarly but too narrow and tinged as inevitable. I hold out a bit more hope that reality will set in, the masses will awaken and that the gasoline option will live out through my lifetime.
I too am beyond frustrated at the politics of the whole thing, but cracks are forming and voices are rising that lift my hopes that the inevitability of this damn insanity and oppressive over reach will soon end. It’s beyond my ability to imagine frankly. Keep praying 🙏
 

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Its a profound error to believe they care if you can drive or not, they would prefer us plebes take public transportation.
Public transportation projects are no longer about mobility, they're about gentrification. Since it is no longer acceptable to build an expressway to destroy a neighborhood or choke off a small town, a major transit project can do the same thing.

The current bait and switch game is "15 Minute Cities", which sounds great, but it is really a road map to serfdom with living in a compound. Our cities used to be walkable with many mixed use neighborhoods, but the federal usurpation of zoning laws made building a traditional neighborhood impossible. The 15 minute city scam is to be imposed by a global government entity which does not recognize mobility as a fundamental human right.

Now that my job entails dealing with battery electric vehicles, I'm getting a first hand look at the debacle that's brewing. The charging network is a lot like public transit. Both are passable around a few major big cities, and along some highway corridors. The experience is horrendous in bad weather, and service is often rare to non-existent in far too many places.
 

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I have my issues with EVs but I guess at this point I'm not total for nor against them. I don't think it's ever a great idea to put all your eggs in one basket but I do see electrification as the future, but not quite in the way it's being presented. It wouldn't be so bad if the powers that be said something like "Okay, all auto manufactures have to have several full EV's in their line up, several hybrids, an a small percentage can be full ICE vehicles and everyone has to be under the carbon footprint limit or whatever." Hybrid vehicles are great at reducing carbon emissions because vehicles can run on full electric mode and when it comes to power, they can add what is lost in cubic inch displacement. The problem is, us on the outside are only seeing a part of what's actually happening and not getting the full picture or the full story of what's going on behind the scenes. Truth is, most of these auto manufacturers are already aware that the current infrastructure can not handle the entire industry going full EV. Stellantis knows it and so does everyone else. For the Mopar brand to move into the electrification age isn't a bad thing. It will keep them relevant in what's coming. For them to bring out the 4Xe technology to make a 2.0L have the horsepower of a 5.7L Hemi and the Torque of a 6.4L Hemi with a hybrid powertrain speaks volumes and really shows that if the brand can do that with a 2.0L Turbo, what can it do with a pair of 3.0L inline-6 Turbo engines that produce numbers that are currently better than the 5.7L & 6.4L V8 cars that we have today? For manufacturers to say they want the majority of their lineups to be electrified in the next 10 years meaning that they want the majority of their lineup to have hybrid technology with some vehicles and trim levels being full BEV actually makes sense. I fully believe that these new EV "muscle cars" as the call them, will sell pretty well but I have to agree with Bill Burke that the Hurricane family will be what saves the brand and moves it into the future. The Hurricane family of engines consist of not only the 3.0L Inline-6 twin turbo engines, but also the 2.0L Hurricane-4, which are all hybrid compatible. 48V systems and 400V systems are already being utilized with the 2.0L with amazing success so when these finally get mated to the 3.0L Hurricane engines, they should come with some very amazing results. Let's think of it this way, as it stands, Jeep is pretty much the biggest part of Stellantis North America with volume selling vehicles like the Cherokee and all of the other "little" jeeps. For Dodge to get in that market with the Hornet makes them very relevant since that's where their mainstream money is made. Spicing it up with some Dodge attitude and putting hybrid tech in it puts the brand right in the center of the action. If they can do that with a Tonale-based vehicle, imagine what they can do with a vehicle based off of a Guilia Quadrifoglio GTA-M, Stelvio Quadrifoglio, Maserati Quattroporte or even Levante Trofeo. Imagine STLA: Medium platform vehicles with Abarth-like handling that can go after the Civic Type R and other Hot-hatch cars with hybrid turbo-4 powertrains sitting below the muscular STLA: Large platform vehicles. That means they can go after mainstream giants of the sedan, SUV and crossover world with way more muscle and still be compliant. Stellantis is making power moves by beating the system at its own game. They are taking the small displacement/hybrid model that they've been given and using everything they can to continue to make big power and even trying to make EVs something worthwhile. Given what the SRT engineers have accomplished since 2003 till now, I can only imagine the possibilities of what they are going to do with these new inline-4 and inline-6 twin turbo engines that can make 500hp+ without SRT even touching them and what kind of magic will happen when they are hybridized. 2G AWD launches with instant torque and emissions compliant. I dont think the CD170 is the last we're going to see of factory crazy. Not by a long shot! The current gen cars are going away and so are Hemis and yes we are moving to an era of electrification where hybridization and BEVs are going to be more mainstream but we aren't going to loose ICE completely. It's going to be more ICE-E, which isn't bad actually. Also, think about this, if SRT can figure out a way to put the CD170 Tech into the Hurricane engines where it can run on E85 and do all of the AFR changes and everything else on the fly, plus have hybrid performance, We could be looking at some seriously powerful vehicles after 2024. Now I know this article was about the E-Muscle cars, which, I think, will have alot of bits and pieces from the current vehicles as well when it comes to tuning but the thing that really struck me was when he said that they haven't fully lifted the curtain on these cars yet. that takes me back to the red car under the cover during their EV day presentation. We know that the next gen car will take alot from the banshee concept but it will be different. T.K also said about wanting to do a '68 Charger. I think the Banshee Concept was more an idea and a litmus test to see how we would all respond and to get a bit of feedback, all while testing new technology. We heard during the presentation of the CD170 that they'd been working on this car for a few years and we didn't know about it. That makes me wonder, what else are they working on in those dark underground lairs that exist behind the walls at Dodge? What new monsters do they have in store for us for 2024? What "compliant" insanity are they still cooking up in there? I have faith that we are going to be pleasantly surprised with what is coming, in spite of the fact that our beloved big block Hemi V8s are going to be leaving us this year. I think we're going to see some SRT/GLH/Direct Connection vehicles that will carry on what the brand has been doing since 2003 till now. I think we're going to see a majorly improved Jeep brand and a broaden Chrysler Brand that can not only compete with Tesla and Lucid in the EV realm but also some of the AMG & BMW M vehicles and maybe even Range Rover and some of the other British brands as well. I think it will also make the Ram trucks better as well.
 

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Midsized Ram with similar looks to the Revolution concept and a Durango that's a massive departure from the current has been shown.
 

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After we’ve been eagerly waiting for a mid-size Ram, they showed one that’s a BEV.
Sure it’s different from the one offering in the segment, but WTH??
 

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After we’ve been eagerly waiting for a mid-size Ram, they showed one that’s a BEV.
Sure it’s different from the one offering in the segment, but WTH??
Company already has a mid-Sized Pick-up
 

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Durango successor potentially called the Stealth
Both two and four door versions of the Charger Daytona are being looked at, possiblity of versions with both SO and HO variants of the 3.0 I6 was also brought up

1500 REV will get a 350 mile model and a 500 mile model

Chrysler talked about a sedan and hatchback BEV
Pacifica getting a facelift soon
 

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Durango successor potentially called the Stealth
Both two and four door versions of the Charger Daytona are being looked at, possiblity of versions with both SO and HO variants of the 3.0 I6 was also brought up

Why will they change Durango’s name when it already has established its base?
Would not Charger 2-door be the equivalent of the Challenger?
 

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Why will they change Durango’s name when it already has established its base?
Would not Charger 2-door be the equivalent of the Challenger?
It's a Reddit leak, so grain of salt for this all, the midsized Ram and new Durango is the only thing official they talked about. Unsure why they would change it though.

I'm guessing the plan is to move away from the Challenger name entirely and make it about the Charger primarily. This also kinda dishes out the possibility of them launching a different sedan with another name instead.
 

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Why will they change Durango’s name when it already has established its base?
Would not Charger 2-door be the equivalent of the Challenger?
I bet the Stealth is the STLA large SUV for Dodge, NOT the BOF Durango.

I also bet the Challenger is the 2 door, the Charger was always the 4 door, you can even see the door frame CGI out of some the renderings.
 

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