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No deal and no longer talking https://www.autonews.com/automakers-suppliers/fca-rejected-psa-overtures-wsj-says

I think the silly wrap is doing a good job of concealing the differences its almost like the car is being debuted wearing camo

Cool, it was just something I came across. I was thinking more along the lines of someone else becoming the title sponsor, I know how Dodge likes to do short term sponsorships.

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2633506/woodwards-roadkill-drags.html#Post2633506

Unrelated but is the street racing portion of the dream cruise going to still be called roadkill nights? Heard on another site the name was changing....

Ok, still not seeing what that has to do with the topic though. As for John I prefer "family heir who was put in a top position he isn't qualified for in any way shape or form" lol

Not really following you partner - are you saying John is leaking bad info to the press?

Well Manley made his challenger "electrification" comment after that article so I assume even if they were potentially on the chopping block they made it through. They'd be very dumb to throw away 150K/yr annual sales and the loyalty that comes with many buyers of those cars.

Might he have meant calendar year, so MY2020? Seems late for a full refresh though.

I hear you but Larry isn't a typical FCA hating jounalist, he's the FCA "guy" at AN as far as I remember and use to be an active poster on the mopar forums before he got the job there. He has a contact(s) in there somewhere. Keep in mind the article is from September 2018 so it could be bunk...

Article from AN Larry: https://www.autonews.com/article/20180917/OEM04/180919835/dodge-s-future-rests-on-fate-of-journey-durango "Charger: Dodge will freshen the aging sedan in 2019, although it faces potential elimination in 2021. Challenger: As with the Charger, its linemate, one more...

I royally doubt Europe wants a bunch of badge engineered French cars with Fiat badges (that they can already buy, with the French badge) and north America certainly doesn't - what a great way to put the final nail in Chrysler though. This tie up would be a huge money loser all around...

I'd think FCA already has everything PSA could offer. It would be PSA raiding the FCA parts bin and potentially, their piggy bank. No thanks!

Any reason for the delay?

Were they supposed to debut in 2020 as 2021's? So now 2021 as 2022's?

I dont know if its relevant or not but Alfa is not listed as premiering anything at Geneva: https://www.gims.swiss/premieres-2019 They are listed for an exhibitor conference, but so is everybody else: https://www.gims.swiss/sites/default/files/Palexpo_Exhibitors_Press_Conf.pdf Could just be...

If the next generation is fugly with smaller engines and less power or electric assist then I am buying a current hellcat and keeping it forever. Manley himself said, and I quote "it won't be a 700hp engine".

I know that one ^ has the bee emblem peeled off but its pretty noticeable on the cars, stood out from across 6 lanes of traffic. Too bad about black eye, its a good color

Thanks

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