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We'll see. Electric cars saw 800% growth in the US at one point, which brought the total sales percentage . . . above 2% if I recall. The definition of "electric car" is also shifting. Originally, it meant cars which had an electric motor as the primary drive mechanism. Now, anything with...

Given that FCA had to pay fines on the order of $77 million US and over a billion Euros due to politics, it is on topic. Politics affects the auto industry - rather significantly. As far as all the variants of "e" vehicles go, they've been around most recently since 1999 and have never achieved...

https://europe.autonews.com/article/20180922/ANE/180919747/eu-electrified-car-push-is-driven-by-rules-not-market-demand "From the auto companies' perspective, it's clear that switching to electric is largely a response to legislation rather than consumer demand." 'In June during FCA's...

Please quote the insult to which you refer. It is politics that is responsible for the charges mentioned above, which were levied, not because of anything FCA did, but because of the mix of vehicles their customers decided to purchase. The market is not driving the push for electrification...

And it’s causing issues for GM as well: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/15/business/uaw-gm-contract-strike/index.html “All three automakers are dealing with slower sales and the need to make huge multi-billion-dollar investments in developing electric and self-driving vehicles that have more...

Breakingviews - Fiat can’t wait forever for Renault to sort itself "A lengthy antitrust review would probably postpone the deal’s completion until well into 2021 - the year in which new European carbon emissions rules bite." Sure would be nice to not have this horde of financial penalties built...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-stocks-idUSKCN1VB0LN

They Daytona package may not be all that celebration worthy, but we now have a widebody Charger, which is more than a sticker package, though admittedly, not a hugely significant performance increase. That, is good to see.

That may depend on how many of the electric/hybrid cars are sold - not sure. Previous fines were not based the percentage of fuel efficient vehicles available, but the percentage of fuel efficient vehicles sold.

I’m all for it.

That is what the people who used to be in charge have decided. Their decisions, and the assumptions upon which they were based, are currently under review - as is the legality of CARB effectively dictating policy to the rest of the country. On one hand, the new rash of electric vehicles will be...

I'm not a fan of subsidies in either direction, especially considering organizations whose profits are measured in billions, but that is a "Tu Coque" (you too) fallacy. I'm not defending petro company subsidies - get rid of them. Use profits to fund exploration. As far as "environmental costs"...

- "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy - The "assumptions" I am referring to are the adoption rates of electric vehicles sales, which are a known value now and are nowhere near what was projected five or so years ago when the 35 to 50 mpg decisions were made. They were predicting upwards of 25%...

I do have a solution though. "Not for sale in the state of California." They are forced to buy the CARB compliant vehicles, they simply do not get other models and the state can refuse to register non-compliant vehicles for use on public roads. That ought to help their tourism industry. :ROFLMAO:

To some degree, yes. I'm not doubting that manufacturers, not just FCA, have bitten the electric bullet. I'm not debating that. I've seen the five year plan. What I'm saying is, the push for electrification is a solution seeking out a problem. The problem it addresses is legislative, not...

You’re still missing the purchase side of things. Who is buying these? Next to nobody. That is not opinion, it is empirical fact. I already said I was not doubting the manufacturers direction - they were bound by legislation from five years ago that was based on assumptions and predictions that...

Doesn’t matter. If they don’t sell, they’re next to useless. The customer determines the future. You either satisfy the customer or you go out of business. If you think that less than 4% of the new car buying public is going to convince the other 96%, you go ahead and bet your money on that...

Paddle shifters are all the rage these days anyway.

When I refer to "electrification", I'm talking specifically about electric primary drive vehicles whose propulsion is entirely electrical with the only ICE contingent being essentially a battery charger. Electric assisted ICEs will be prevalent, but mainly because most buyers know little about...

Many power steering architectures now involve electric assist, which can be configured. I'm all for having a power steering delete option, but give people options. They're the ones buying it, it is their car. They should be able to get whatever they want on it (within reason).