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Stellantis and LG Energy form Joint-Venture for North American battery production

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@TripleT , @Deckard Cain
Boy do Electric Vehicle discussion do brings out the electric sparks of passion !
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I am still pissed about the toilets and light bulbs......

I don't want to be told what car I can buy, what phone charging cable, the reparability of devices, what TV, what powers my car, where I can travel, what I can say .......... I don't have a problem with that for them. Quit trying to export it here....

And this has been my ongoing point to @Deckard Cain , that he seems miss

A famous Clinical Phycologist just had a long talk about this in reference to recent governmental overreach related to ongoing health issues. A Canadian by the way not a American, and lets not pretend that profession leans any way but left, but this scholar seems to be a pretty fact based straight forward fellow.

"There is no better way to create resistance than to mandate it to the American public. You instantly turn it from a public health subject to a Liberty issue, and it becomes counter productive beyond belief."

well here were are on this thread. American will literally die to protect the liberty of their children, not figuratively, literally. Point being that heavy hand this welcomed in the EU would only cause more opposition. So when he uses these terms like Impose, it has ramification.

"If your original argument doesn't work, if your second argument doesn't work, then go back to drawing board, because mandates will be counter productive."

So on BEV and energy use... the best solution will not come from government, but from the market and private sector, without them picking winners and losers.
 
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Don't mistake authoritarianism with totalitarianism. As Rod Dreher points out, an authoritarian government wants your obedience, while a totalitarian regime demands your soul. There is something drastically wrong when the Feds will investigate parents who complain at school board meetings. I worry more about the loss of freedoms here in the United States than whatever happens overseas.

The biggest problem we have right now, and this relates directly to EV mandates here in America, is the politicalization of science and engineering. There is censorship and deplatforming of those who don't fall behind the party line, now happening in America.

Here is an interesting read: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpclett.1c01475
 
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Also my brother works for Bosch and they have them as a supplier. He doesn't have a lot of good things to say about them...
Bosch handled a lot of engineering for the original Fiat 500e California compliance car. Bosch specified Samsung batteries for the compliance car and now the new Fiat 500e continues to use Samsung batteries. Which battery supplier does your brother has little good to say of?
 

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To be accurate: he does not work with batteries. Bosch in Portugal produces digital displays and infotainment displays for a enormous number of brands in Europe.

The main branch in Germany picked LG for something because they presented an offer that was too good to pass on.
And indeed it was too good, because it had enormous cost overruns and even then, it didn't fulfill the technical specs that were asked for.
My brother thought that LG was dishonest. He has very good impressions of other suppliers but he got a sour taste about LG. Seeing what happened with LG Chem batteries in the Hyundai Kauai EV and the Chevy Bolt, I am deducing that this is a pervasive cultural problem of the chaebol, not restricted to the anecdotal evidence of my brother.
 
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Stellantis Signs Second Joint Venture Agreement To Secure Next Generation Batteries & Modules!​

Samsung SDI Will Also Form Joint Venture With Stellantis...​


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Stellantis and Samsung SDI announced that the two companies have entered into a memorandum of understanding to form a joint venture to produce battery cells and modules for North America. The announcement comes just a few days after Stellantis also announced that they would form a joint venture with LG Energy Solutions to build a new factory opening in the Q1 of 2024 and will have an annual production capacity of 40-gigawatt-hours.

 

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It’s always a good idea to have more than a supplier one you are going into a new business
 

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Good to see we’re on topic talking about automobiles. Lol. This is the future. Electric cars…….who controls the charging stations ……..etc etc. I can’t wait. Where’s my 440 Imperial. Think I’ll take a Sunday drive!
 

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This system appears to use hydrogen as a fuel additive to allow the traditional fuel to burn cleaner, rather than replacing it entirely. And as it seems to electrolyse the gas directly from water, it can’t be using enough hydrogen gas to act as sole fuel. Might be a good solution for vehicles running on diesel now that have a long working life ahead of them still (freight trucks, buses, etc.).
 

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Yes, more manufacturers are designing their own chips, but the supply-chain problem is in fabrication: turning those designs into packaged ICs.

A semiconductor fabrication facility comes in at about $5 billion for a non-cutting edge process node (e.g. 50 million transistors per square millimetre). You can add another 50% if you want the very latest (around 200 million transistors per square millimetre - “nanometres” in microelectronics are like cubic-centimeters in engines: it has only a loose relation to the actual density of the process).

For automotive, 50 MTr/mm is fine for most microprocessor applications. (Intel calls this “14 nm”, TSMC calls it “10 nm”). For autonomous driving applications, the denser ICs are needed.

One short-term relief is that Intel is now offering its fabrication capabilities to other companies, mostly on older node sizes like 14 nm, but against that, Intel is now also buying fabrication of ICs from TSMC, taking capacity from there.
 

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Eh, auto manufacturers don't really need the latest nodes.
 

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