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Compacting Market: Chrysler Needs a Small Crossover

Compacting Market: Chrysler Needs a Small Crossover
...and the Tipo hatchback would be a great place to start!

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Fiat Tipo-based Chrysler 100X Design. (Ryan Dodd).

A change has been occurring in North America for several years now. Passenger cars have fallen out of favor with consumers as crossover, SUV, and pickup sales have exploded thanks to their increased practicality by way of higher ground clearance, all-weather capability, and easier access to cargo. The increase in crossover sales has been covered extensively by many automotive publications, including by Mopar Insiders. Looking past the decline of passenger cars, it is not hard to conclude that a brand needs crossovers, SUVs, and pickups to survive – key components that are currently missing from the Chrysler brand.

Right now, Chrysler is surviving on only two models: the 300 sedan and the Pacifica minivan. Rumored to be joining the Chrysler lineup in the near future is a midsize three-row crossover to replace the dated Dodge Journey in showrooms, a large three-row crossover based on the Pacifica’s architecture to compete with the likes of the Traverse, Enclave, and Pilot, and eventually a smaller MPV similar in function to the highly-advanced Portal concept.

Missing from these plans is a compact crossover to satisfy the customers turned off by the off-road-focused Renegade and Compass crossovers. While midsize crossover sales have seen sales increases at the expense of sedans, the small crossover segment provides much more opportunity. For example, in the United States last month, the Explorer and RAV4 were the best sellers in the midsize and small SUV segments, respectively. However, the RAV4 sold 41,093 units while the Explorer sold 22,782; even the best selling midsize crossover sold only around 55% of the volume of the best selling compact crossover. So clearly, there are more sales opportunities to be had in the small SUV segment than in the midsize segment, especially if Chrysler can include an appealing blend of utility, efficiency, and capability, all at a low cost and without stepping on the toes of the Renegade and Compass. I believe this is where the Tipo comes in.

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I'm not so sure... Unless a V6 has more power and torque.
Also a P2 mild hybrids are coming. More boost, more regeneration potential and electric turbo/supercharger for no lag.

I don't think that car width is an issue for Europeans. Maybe for Italians. But they are more like an exception from a rule.
For example. Some Jeep Compass competitors in Europe. Opel Grandland X is 1.86 meters wide, new VW Tiguan is 1.84 meters wide. Jeep Compass is 1.82 meters. Cherokee KL which is a CUSW based vehicle is 1.86 meters wide. South American Fiat Toro on a Small Wide platform is 1.85 meters wide.
So I don't see an issue with a car width if Small Wide platform is used. I can be wrong on this one.


I will propose another option for a North American small mid size CUV from Chrysler.
Short wheelbase Pacifica as a starting point.
 

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Hey elevate this.... Look how close the new Tipo Cross is to what Ryan and I proposed.
 

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What ever happened to the crossover replacement for the Fiat 500L? I would suspect something like that, with an American drivetrain, would be a great addition to the Chrysler brand. The styling has to be correct, it has to look like it belongs in the family.

I like the Fiat Fastback, and think that could be a great compact Chrysler if given a Chrysler brand face.
 

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500L is bad word in the USA shhhhhhh people don't buy MPVs anymore CUVs only
 

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There were rumors that FCA's serbian plant would build a SUV instead of 500L.
But since merger with with Peugeot there were no more news. MPV segment declined in Europe more than expected.

If FCA want to make a CUV in Toluca plant using same line as Compass it would not that difficult now that they have not to export the Jeep Coompass in Europe.
If they want save money, they could even make it based on 4x4 version of Small to save some money on stamping.
For sure it would be better to replace rear McPherson with twist beam as in the Tipo or B-link of the Toro, that would allow to have a bigger cargo space.
As front face, if they want, always to save money, they can reuse some parts of the Fiat Toro.

As powertrains they can use whatever fits in Small, including the GME T4 (4 cylinders diesel engines are heavier and use more volume since their SCR+DPF systems).
 

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First of all. Congratulation to @Ryan for his work on Chrysler based on then yet unreleased Tipo Cross. Good job, mate.

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It's on the table for a long time now. Maybe those are just the rumors. It will be very hard to replace 500L. It has so much interior space. IMO first mistake was to make 500L a 500. It's more similar to Panda.
MPVs are dying segment. Small CUVs are hot right now. Maybe they can make a proper B+ segment CUV on Small Wide bones although PSA CMP may be just fine. Right now models like Renault Captur or Škoda Kamiq are hot in Europe. FCA doesn't have a player there. 500X isn't one, it's a different kind of product.

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As usual you give examples on how product could be improved. Yes, rear MacPherson is very space consuming. Bi-link and torsion beam are already in use for Small Wide.

I'm wondering about solutions which will be in use for a so called Jeep "Grand Compass". I think that this product would be ideal as a Chrysler for North American market. Both as 2 and optional 3 row product.
 

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IMO Chrysler should receive less practical SUVs, but cheaper than Jeep. Fiat should just leave the US market. Leave it to Alfa and Maserati.
 

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IMO Chrysler should receive less practical SUVs, but cheaper than Jeep. Fiat should just leave the US market. Leave it to Alfa and Maserati.

I disagree... instead of leave it should simple become the Plymouth of every CDJR. Expand the product offering to include the Panda and Tipo. They current sell per dealer close to the same as Chrysler 300. Fiats problem was always the approach. People don't seek out a dealer for a Economy car. It needs to be easily available. The local dealer here has Fiat and out here in the country there quite common.
 

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The other action for Fiat (and maybe some of the other brands) should be start to have pricelist of spare parts at their real market values and not over inflated.
An example MSRP of a spark plug iridium) for a turbo 1.4 is some tens of cents less tha USD 30 in U.S.A. while in Europe an NGK (or Denso or ...), that is the original piece, can be found with a pricelist of Euro 17.36, price included the VAT (22%), that are USD 16.68 + taxes.
Than You go online and check a automotive parts shop and find it at about Euro 10 (USD 11.7) + taxes. At Moparonlineparts is USD 20.36, it looks like now they start to make rebates.
To not speak about changing the clutch ... it is about Euro 400 - 500 (taxes included) depending on 500 engine if the work in done in an official Fiat dealership.
Or the fact that for some parts in U.S.A. are not sold the subparts, but only the whole assembly.
 

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I disagree... instead of leave it should simple become the Plymouth of every CDJR. Expand the product offering to include the Panda and Tipo. They current sell per dealer close to the same as Chrysler 300. Fiats problem was always the approach. People don't seek out a dealer for a Economy car. It needs to be easily available. The local dealer here has Fiat and out here in the country there quite common.
I believe Chrysler could be rebadged Fiat products (except the 500). And then some more larger vehicles.
 

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I believe Chrysler could be rebadged Fiat products (except the 500). And then some more larger vehicles.

That could be the approach while some purest would whine, One of the more popular vehicles for Chrysler was a repositioned Plymouth the PT Cruiser. So the Panda, Tipo, and what ever PSA reskinned PSA models could find their way as Chryslers which at that point is really Plymouth. Looking at the brand Chrysler that started out as rebadged Maxwell, the ultra premium was Imperial ..... the US definition of Luxury died with Continental, large soft and well equipped. The new definition is better filled by Maserati. Leaving 300 to mop up the few sales from the boomers that cling to the old. 500 as a city car could basically be it own sub-brand sold at the CDJR.
 

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I hope for Chrysler that will not arrive so much vehicles based on PSA "new" platforms, and the "new" is because my opinion on that platform is that are already "old" as technology applied.
Nor to mention their most of their european plants, it looks like watching a 10, better to say 20 years old automotive plant with some new machines here and there. I understand why they make "money" now ... externalization and old tech.

Their newest european plant, in Trnava, Slovakia, first stone laid mid 2003, production active since end 2006.


p.s.: watching workers in an european plant without gloves or other personal protection equipment unbilievable (even more since is a video made of public domain), to not mention how dark is the plant, at least compared to modern standards of the other automotive manufacturer in Europe.
 
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I think that some people must listen or re-listen joint Manley&Tavares Conference Call from the end of last year. Tavares mentioned FCA factories as superior and he did also mention good side of WCM. Not to mention that FCA is making more cars with less workforce. I didn't look where FCA's lack of workforce came from but it's less.

But I must say that some FCA's North American factories doesn't look plush as European. Of course some European like Tychy are looking very old. I think that the same if not worse was with Giulietta's part of Cassino plant.

It's also important to mention lack of different powertrain choices from PSA. Just 2 diesel engine families, in Europe 2 gasoline engine families, no optional mechanical AWD. There is of course more.
 

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I think that some people must listen or re-listen joint Manley&Tavares Conference Call from the end of last year. Tavares mentioned FCA factories as superior and he did also mention good side of WCM. Not to mention that FCA is making more cars with less workforce. I didn't look where FCA's lack of workforce came from but it's less.

But I must say that some FCA's North American factories doesn't look plush as European. Of course some European like Tychy are looking very old. I think that the same if not worse was with Giulietta's part of Cassino plant.

It's also important to mention lack of different powertrain choices from PSA. Just 2 diesel engine families, in Europe 2 gasoline engine families, no optional mechanical AWD. There is of course more.
HA you not seen as many plants in person as I have. There is old and new on both sides of the pond. Though using nice Bins can change the character of a plant. :D
 

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HA you not seen as many plants in person as I have. There is old and new on both sides of the pond. Though using nice Bins can change the character of a plant. :D

New Stellantis bins, should be large since the amount of projects they will thrown in the bin, at least reading the last financial report. :)
 

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New Stellantis bins, should be large since the amount of projects they will thrown in the bin, at least reading the last financial report. :)
just sold some to FCA for a international loop perhaps Stellantis will be the next project after Ineos.
 

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