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Alfa Romeo Drops It’s Giorgio Architecture For Next Generation Models:

Alfa Romeo Drops It’s Giorgio Architecture For Next Generation Models:​

New STLA Large Architecture Will Underpin New Giulia & Stelvio...​


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The Alfa Romeo brand has been making a lot of headlines lately, as the brand is in the middle of a reinvention. According to a report from Automotive News Europe, the Italian automaker’s new CEO Jean-Philippe Imparato told Italian journalists during a roundtable event that it will be dropping the brand’s award-winning unibody rear-wheel-drive ‘Giorgio’ architecture that currently underpins the Giulia and Stelvio. The brand will switch to the recently announced ‘STLA Large’ architecture which will underpin D & E-Segment unibody crossovers, SUVs, and cars, including the next-generation Dodge Charger and Challenger.

 
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I don't see how STLA Large can encompass both E/F SUVs and Body on Frame vehicles.

These are two totally different types of vehicles.

Isn't the 2022 Grand Cherokee L and 2022 Grand Cherokee based partly on Gorgio Global? If not, what are they made of?
 

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The Stellantis group is working on various electrified platforms : future Alfa Romeo models will be "obviously electrified, 100%". "We are working on the Large platform of Stellantis and we will no longer use the Giorgio: we must take advantage of the volumes to take all possible opportunities and bring an Ev range to Alfa Romeo, but always with the touch of Alfa Romeo (Ed: later, Imparato wanted to specify that the Giorgio platform will not be archived, but will be integrated into the Stellantis architecture system, namely Small, Medium and Large) "
 

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I’m rally worried and wondering now about the next Challenger and Charger. They were supposed to come out in less than 25 months on what was supposed to be evolution of the current platform with bit and pieces from Giorgio.

Now it might either get delayed because of the movement onto STLA large or it is only a rename under the new corporate.
 

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Before I got sick of Allpar I was warning people that the next L cars wouldn't be out until calendar 2023 or 2024. There's a reason the UNIFOR agreement was only extended until the end of calendar 2022.
 

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This explains a lot and more, it gets the speculation engine running for most of us, it sure does for me. Initially I thought something foul in the air over the delays in so many vehicles, in particular Dodge and Chrysler. Guess the current models will soldier on for a couple of years, but there is little doubt in my mind that these plans have been internal knowledge for a while and the decision was leaked to need to know folks quite early to put some other development plans on hold. I think the speculations will be so fun, I will enjoy the jousting, I see this architecture effecting so many brands with the various design and engineering teams being challenged, taxed and inspired like nothing before and I am cautiously confident most Dodge and Chrysler fans will be pleased with the results. Personally, old school Mopar Willy will be holding on to his 2019 Dodge Challenger R/T Plus for many years because, as optimistic as I am at first blush, I sure as heck fire will never surrender my "Old School" muscle car for something radically new. I may augment it, but I need some HEMI insurance against those foul smells that accompany drastic change. Let the games begin!!
 

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I'm hopeful and apprehensive all at the same time. Not just about the FCA brand, but about all American car brands at this point. My thing is if you're going to kill the muscle cars, don't drag their names on. Now I'm sure Dodge and SRT will continue to make performance cars, but if V8s aren't going to be around then the names that go with them should fade with them
 

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Why this misleading headline and article, when the original source Quattroruote.it added a clarifying info by Imparato days ago, already discussed at this forum?
(Ed: later, Imparato wanted to specify that the Giorgio platform will not be archived, but will be integrated into the Stellantis architecture system, namely Small, Medium and Large)
STLA Large is the next version of Giorgio, only renamed for the new corporate system. For BOF vehicles there's STLA Frame.
 

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I'm hopeful and apprehensive all at the same time. Not just about the FCA brand, but about all American car brands at this point. My thing is if you're going to kill the muscle cars, don't drag their names on. Now I'm sure Dodge and SRT will continue to make performance cars, but if V8s aren't going to be around then the names that go with them should fade with them.
Don’t overlook the rumors that the current, or possibly updated Chargers and Challengers will follow the Ram philosophy and produce “Classic” models along side newer versions. This will be possible if the two versions can be built on the same assembly line. The discussion here in that Giorgio will be the foundational structure for this new Sellantis platform, which was scheduled to underpin the next generation muscle cars, gives me hope that Challengers will be around, along with perhaps E-torque Hemi application, for a decade or more. Hopefully the corporate power brokers will carve out a special niche for those who, like me, can’t give up on some kind of “Old School” muscle. In any case, as I wrote, I’m taking out Hemi insurance with my 2019 Challenger.
 

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Don’t overlook the rumors that the current, or possibly updated Chargers and Challengers will follow the Ram philosophy and produce “Classic” models along side newer versions. This will be possible if the two versions can be built on the same assembly line. The discussion here in that Giorgio will be the foundational structure for this new Sellantis platform, which was scheduled to underpin the next generation muscle cars, gives me hope that Challengers will be around, along with perhaps E-torque Hemi application, for a decade or more. Hopefully the corporate power brokers will carve out a special niche for those who, like me, can’t give up on some kind of “Old School” muscle. In any case, as I wrote, I’m taking out Hemi insurance with my 2019 Challenger.

I doubt this. The cost is primarily concentrated now in the CO2 credits STLA now needs to buy for the V8 vehicles it sells in North America.

they’re not going to make cheaper V8s via a classic L car offering and undersell the new L car models. This pricing just doesn’t work for L cars. The new L cars are still going to have V8 offerings, starting at $40k instead of $36k. Brampton will round out the portfolio with a new SUV, after the new L car introduction.

It works for trucks because people ha e shown they’re willing to pay for trucks.

DS Classic production will end in 2022 I think.

wouldn’t be surprised if the DT MCA is then the top tier offering, with the ‘old’ DT slotting below. Similar to what they did the Pacifica MCA and Voyager.
 

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I doubt this. The cost is primarily concentrated now in the CO2 credits STLA now needs to buy for the V8 vehicles it sells in North America.

they’re not going to make cheaper V8s via a classic L car offering and undersell the new L car models. This pricing just doesn’t work for L cars. The new L cars are still going to have V8 offerings, starting at $40k instead of $36k. Brampton will round out the portfolio with a new SUV, after the new L car introduction.

It works for trucks because people ha e shown they’re willing to pay for trucks.

DS Classic production will end in 2022 I think.

wouldn’t be surprised if the DT MCA is then the top tier offering, with the ‘old’ DT slotting below. Similar to what they did the Pacifica MCA and Voyager.
I was talking about this with someone the other day.

If they aren't bringing a midsize Dakota to the United States, I'd be fine with them selling a cheaper version of the 1500 as a Dakota. Whether that is the current Classic with updated fascias and an updated interior or the "old" DT after the MCA is introduced doesn't matter to me.

I'd like to see:

Ram 1500 Dakota:
Tradesman
Express
Big Horn

Ram 1500:
Big Horn
Rebel
Laramie
Longhorn
Limited
TRX

This establishes the Dakota as the affordable variant of the 1500 and allows the "regular" 1500 to compete more directly with trucks like the Sierra that are positioned as slightly upscale offerings. The Dakota could compete with midsize trucks on price, but obviously pass them on capability, and sales numbers could still be combined with the regular 1500. It can also be V6-only.
 

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Yes, interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if V8 is priced even more premium over other engine options.

RAM 1500? It's about safety regulations. I don't know when the new one comes. Is it at the end of 2022 or 2023.
 

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Before I got sick of Allpar I was warning people that the next L cars wouldn't be out until calendar 2023 or 2024. There's a reason the UNIFOR agreement was only extended until the end of calendar 2022.
Yep, you are correct! Once again the Stateside Chrysler employees (especially UNIFOR) wonder what lines and plants will be put out to pasture! If the story is correct, I dont think a 20 month lead time to re-engineer the the 3C's is adquate amount of time to convert over. Sounds like another delayed product launch!
 

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I was talking about this with someone the other day.

If they aren't bringing a midsize Dakota to the United States, I'd be fine with them selling a cheaper version of the 1500 as a Dakota. Whether that is the current Classic with updated fascias and an updated interior or the "old" DT after the MCA is introduced doesn't matter to me.

I'd like to see:

Ram 1500 Dakota:
Tradesman
Express
Big Horn

Ram 1500:
Big Horn
Rebel
Laramie
Longhorn
Limited
TRX

This establishes the Dakota as the affordable variant of the 1500 and allows the "regular" 1500 to compete more directly with trucks like the Sierra that are positioned as slightly upscale offerings. The Dakota could compete with midsize trucks on price, but obviously pass them on capability, and sales numbers could still be combined with the regular 1500. It can also be V6-only.
Unfortunely with the new sub-Bronco and another manufacturer debating a new 'Brat' pickup, there is another market being created for the next generations who dont want a 1500 but a niche vehicle. I hope FCA-PSA counters with such model.
 

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Unfortunely with the new sub-Bronco and another manufacturer debating a new 'Brat' pickup, there is another market being created for the next generations who dont want a 1500 but a niche vehicle. I hope FCA-PSA counters with such model.
Yes, but it should be a Jeep.
 

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Yep, you are correct! Once again the Stateside Chrysler employees (especially UNIFOR) wonder what lines and plants will be put out to pasture! If the story is correct, I dont think a 20 month lead time to re-engineer the the 3C's is adquate amount of time to convert over. Sounds like another delayed product launch!
That’s not necessarily correct.
 

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I doubt this. The cost is primarily concentrated now in the CO2 credits STLA now needs to buy for the V8 vehicles it sells in North America.

they’re not going to make cheaper V8s via a classic L car offering and undersell the new L car models. This pricing just doesn’t work for L cars. The new L cars are still going to have V8 offerings, starting at $40k instead of $36k. Brampton will round out the portfolio with a new SUV, after the new L car introduction.

It works for trucks because people ha e shown they’re willing to pay for trucks.

DS Classic production will end in 2022 I think.

wouldn’t be surprised if the DT MCA is then the top tier offering, with the ‘old’ DT slotting below. Similar to what they did the Pacifica MCA and Voyager.
Not being up on much you seem to refer to, I will accede to your thinking. Damn regulations always seem to trip me and my thinking up. Wish I knew what DS and DT MCA were. Remember most folks like ancient me are not comfortable with that designation lingo. TYFU, (thank you for understanding).
 

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DS = old Ram 1500 currently being sold alongside new Ram 1500
DT = new Ram 1500 introduced in late 2018
DT MCA = refreshed Ram 1500 due in late calendar 2022/early calendar 2023.
 

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If they aren't bringing a midsize Dakota to the United States, I'd be fine with them selling a cheaper version of the 1500 as a Dakota. Whether that is the current Classic with updated fascias and an updated interior or the "old" DT after the MCA is introduced doesn't matter to me.
But they need something considerably smaller - appropriately priced - than a full-size pickup. Don't misappropriate Dakota for a cheaper full-size.
 

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