The future is EV??

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[426HemiCuda]

I hope I’m in the grave before I’m forced to buy an EV even if it’s a Mopar.

 

[artillerybuff]

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Poetic...

 

[patfromigh]

How about those Swiss. The story is not being reported on American news media.

 

[VANISHING POINT #1]

I hope I’m in the grave before I’m forced to buy an EV even if it’s a Mopar.

I won't be getting any electric Mopar or ICE Mopar now with the way Dodge is handling the sales and mark ups of the 2023 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack.

 

[TripleT]

or a Ford.

 

[artillerybuff]

I won't be getting any electric Mopar or ICE Mopar now with the way Dodge is handling the sales and mark ups of the 2023 Dodge Challenger Scat Pack.

or any car ever at more than MSRP...

 

[TripleT]

This is one of the ways dealerships are staying afloat in this low inventory days. This will sort out when chips get resolved and a flood of cars enter the market.

 

[VANISHING POINT #1]

This is one of the ways dealerships are staying afloat in this low inventory days. This will sort out when chips get resolved and a flood of cars enter the market.

That's how they stay afloat with little to no inventory is to mark up the prices? Still waiting...when will this happen?

 

[TripleT]

Yes.... do you want me explain revenue streams? Sell a bunch of cars for a little margin or a few for a lot. You have to pick one. I assume everyone here is American, it is a supply and demand, Less the supply the more the demand, the higher the markups. If one doesn't like the markup, they forfeit the business to someone who is willing. L Hemi cars are on wrapping up so of course the markups are going to up. This goes the same for HP Mustangs and Raptors, Corvettes, and any performance and limited volume vehicle in high demand. With interest rates going up and eventually all the vehicles sitting in lots getting chips there will be a glut, someone who buys a Scat Pack will be upside down quick and you can grab a slightly used one.

Been studying the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer performance in published testing and shockingly the new Hurricanes clip an entire second off the 0-60 and 1/4 times versus the 5.7 and 6.4, when you combine that with a vehicle that weighs 6000 lbs and shaped like a brick the Grand Wagoneer is running the traps at nearly the speed of Scat Pack. Now combine that with a vehicle that is going to be lighter and more nibble and better packaged. Yeah..... it best that keep the new ones on ice until all L go at higher prices. The only thing the 2023s will see of the new ones is the taillights. It going to be real hard to justify going much slower, less quick, more thirsty, less efficient, tighter interior, to get the rumble of a V8 and aged platform.

How clever has been to create the urgency in such an old, but loved vehicle.

 

[redriderbob]

The future is PHEV in my opinion.

 

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What's PHEV?

 

[Bili]

The future is PHEV in my opinion.

Interesting opinion. Dunno what to say, it's strange. I mean... Many people , at least here in Europe, are driving their PHEVs just as regular ICE or maybe HEV at 99% time.

I think that we've (too quickly) moved away from a P2 MHEV tech. It's still immature and already seen as obsolete by the green crusade.

 

[TripleT]

The future is PHEV in my opinion.

It is for rural America for sure, as we have major range and charging issues. My next vehicle will likely be a PHEV for my wife. Likely a 4xe of some sort. I think the Hornet will be too small for her liking.

 

[Bili]

It is for rural America for sure, as we have major range and charging issues. My next vehicle will likely be a PHEV for my wife. Likely a 4xe of some sort. I think the Hornet will be too small for her liking.

Hornet small? Inside or out?

IMO it will be just fine on the inside.

 

[artillerybuff]

What's PHEV?

plug-in hybrid electric vehicle

 

[TripleT]

Hornet small? Inside or out?

IMO it will be just fine on the inside.

Not to my spouse

 

[patfromigh]

C&D managed to get a Wrangler 4Xe down the 1/4 mile in 14.1 seconds @ 96 mph. Imagine that setup in a lighter vehicle. I can hear all the whining now about putting a four cylinder in a Challenger.

 

[TripleT]

Graphic from Marspeed

 

[patfromigh]

Guess what, for battery electric vehicles to have a future, new battery chemistries are needed. For new battery chemistries to be possible, there needs to be real world testing. The best way to provide real world testing is with hybrid power trains. This is because hybrids offer more charging and discharging cycles in a given time period.

Hybrid vehicles have smaller battery packs which are more easily serviceable and replaceable. This is another reason engineers want to use hybrids first for the next generation of batteries. ICE bans will burn a bridge to the future before we cross the chasm. Will consumers prefer a pure EV if a plug-in hybrid with a 200 kilometer range is available? Without any government interference, we will probably see 200 kilometer PHEVs on the market before a practical nationwide high speed charging network actually becomes a reality in America. How many municipalities will cheap out and offer level 2 charging stations, as many already have?

The rapid timeline to "zero emissions" being forced by politicians does not match up with the realities of science and engineering. The battery electric panacea is a fantasy. Don't get me wrong on this. Small electric urban vehicles make a great deal of sense. Battery electric commercial vehicles are highly anticipated because they offer a practical efficient solution for many businesses. I highly doubt battery electric 18 wheelers will become popular in a free market, not when CNG and LNG offer a practical near zero alternative to diesel at lower cost.