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With Ram truck sales surging, FCA may continue production in Mexico

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With Ram truck sales surging, FCA may continue production in Mexico
'We need to get ourselves into second' place, new CEO Mike Manley says

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AUBURN HILLS, Mich. — Fiat Chrysler Automobiles' new CEO is tired of being No. 3 in U.S. pickup truck sales.

With a strategy of loading up its revamped Ram 1500 full-size trucks with new features — ranging from 12-inch touchscreens on the dashboard to large battery packs and 48-volt electric motors to help adjust speed and gears and conserve fuel — the automaker is banking on a sustained surge in demand.

So Chief Executive Mike Manley is now reconsidering a decision announced in January to stop building Ram Heavy Duty pickups at a plant in Saltillo, Mexico. That plant, and another in Warren, Michigan, between them would produce other Ram models and free up manufacturing capacity to make even more new trucks to eat into sales of Ford's F-Series or General Motors' Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra.

"We need to get ourselves into second" place, Manley told Reuters exclusively in his first interview since taking over the No. 7 global automaker after Sergio Marchionne died suddenly. "Frankly, I don't care which of the two I take share from."

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When U.S. President Donald Trump was threatening action that would have imposed a 25 percent tariff on Mexican-made pickup trucks earlier this year, Fiat Chrysler said Saltillo would be "repurposed to produce future commercial vehicles."

In 2017, Marchionne had raised the possibility his company could move heavy-duty pickup production out of Saltillo, saying U.S. tax and trade policy would influence the decision.

Now, the United States, Mexico and Canada have a tentative trade agreement that imposes no ceiling on shipments of pickups to the United States from Mexico, provided they meet thresholds for the share of parts produced within the region.

"With a combination of Warren and Mexico building what we call the classic truck, we have enough production to increase output next year if it's required," Manley said. "In my opinion it will be required. We are gaining share. Obviously I am looking for that to continue, but it's an incredibly competitive segment," he added.

Three-way fight
The new Ram 1500, meanwhile, is built at Sterling Heights Assembly Plant, also in the Detroit area.

The Ram and Jeep brands underpin the automaker's North American business — which accounted for nearly 85 percent of Fiat Chrysler's second-quarter pre-tax profit — and offset the struggles of its legacy Fiat business in Europe and operations in China.

Ford's F-Series trucks have led the segment for four decades. In 2017, Ford had a 35.6 percent share of U.S. retail truck sales, followed closely by GM at 34.2 percent and FCA with 22.3 percent.

Pickup trucks are the single biggest contributor to the Detroit Big Three automakers' profits, so there is plenty at stake as they fight for market share.

In the battle for pickup customers, GM launched a new version of its Silverado truck designed with a focus on slashing weight and trimming production costs to compete with market leader Ford.

Fiat Chrysler, which reports third-quarter results on Tuesday, took a different tack with the new Ram. The automaker stuffed more features into the vehicle — including an optional 12-inch touch screen and partial electrification that saves fuel and helps with acceleration and cruise control — on a bet that customers would pay more in return.

So far, the gamble appears to be paying off. The new Ram 1500's average sale price for the year to date through late October hit $46,856, higher than the $42,389 average for the Ford F-150, according to industry data.

Hayden Elder, owner of Elder Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram in Athens, Texas, said three times in under a month he has had families trade in nearly-new large SUVs made by FCA's rivals for a new Ram 1500.

"This new Ram is the biggest leap I've ever seen from one version to another," Elder said. About 70 percent of the 800 vehicles he sells annually are trucks.



'Haven't found the ceiling yet'
Phil Jansen, Fiat Chrysler's head of product development, said when his team began redesigning the Ram 1500, they decided a lighter, all-aluminum body — which Ford uses for its trucks — was too expensive. GM executives reached the same conclusion.

But Fiat Chrysler took a chance that GM did not, and added a large battery pack and electric motor that assist with acceleration and shifting, plus deliver a smooth start-stop function that idles the engine when stopped in traffic, boosting fuel economy.

"It can save about this much fuel at an average stop," said FCA electrification manager Brian Spohn, holding up a small tumbler of water.

The decision to offer a larger dashboard screen than its rivals have came late in the design process. Initially, the big screen was offered in the top three of the truck's six versions. Fiat Chrysler has since decided to offer it on an additional version.

Demand is so high, the company has pushed the screen's supplier for as many screens as it can provide, according to a source familiar with production plans.

"We haven't found the ceiling yet" for what U.S. customers are willing to pay for additional features, said Jim Morrison, head of the Ram brand in North America.

Fiat Chrysler had problems earlier this year accelerating production of the new Ram truck on a highly-automated production line installed at Sterling Heights, which previously made slow-selling sedans.

Among the problems: Dropped bolts and other debris would shut down automated vehicles that carried truck frames through part of the assembly process. The solution was to put debris-sweeping skirts on the carriers, FCA executives said on a recent tour of the plant.

Now, the Sterling Heights Assembly Plant is cranking out around 65 trucks an hour, 20 hours a day, six days a week — a pace of about 400,000 vehicles per year.

"It is capable, if we wanted to, to push it up more from there," Manley told Reuters. "Clearly, having the capacity to fulfill our ambitions is important."

Reporting By Nick Carey

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/10/29/ram-pickup-trucks-sales-surge-mike-manley/
 
Well it's good for the bottom line, but I'd rather have the new generation Jeeps for 2020 instead.

Its seems the philosophy at FCA is make the cash now and let all the new ideas ferment.
 
Well it's good for the bottom line, but I'd rather have the new generation Jeeps for 2020 instead.

Its seems the philosophy at FCA is make the cash now and let all the new ideas ferment.

NO your under the false impression that Jeep will be a volume vehicle. It will not. You don't trade money in Hand for possible profitability of low volume model. And calling the Full size RAM based SUV as a new idea is comical. It has been prototyped and production planned several times and has been shelved by strong Ram Sales.

Unless your way off target for this thread. Asside from the Wagoneer which will be made in Warren, this article has NOTHING to do with Jeeps.... Except the funding of Ram sales will be used to finance there launches.
 
Ram HD is still coming to Michigan... just it will probably be in 2021 as the 2022 models are supposed to be the actual 5th Gen Ram, unlike these 2019 models. We actually predicted this on 5thGenRams.com. Wagoneer has been pushed back to 2021 model year anyhow, and Durango won't move to body-on-frame until 2021 as well. So it fits perfect. Just means the Ram 1500 Classic (DS) gets to live through the 2020 model year racking in all that cash! CASH COW! Its a good move by FCA US to make more money.
 
Well it's good for the bottom line, but I'd rather have the new generation Jeeps for 2020 instead.

Its seems the philosophy at FCA is make the cash now and let all the new ideas ferment.

The 2021 Jeep Wagoneer will only be about 50,000 units to 80,000 units a year. Warren can produce over 400,000 pickups right now. Durango currently sells 75,000 units a year.

So you are looking at 150,000 units or so of the next generation Durango (SD) and Wagoneer (WS) being made at Warren. Plus as I said before the Ram HD has to move to Michigan in 2021, perfect timing for the all-new HD in the 2022 model year. The truck that will debut in Detroit in January will be a 2019 model that is basically a refreshed 4th Gen Ram. Makes sense to keep production of the Ram 1500 Classic going at Warren for the better part of next year and allowing that very old plant to get its $1.2 billion upgrade in late 2019/early 2020 to starting building new vehicles. Helps pay off the cost anyhow. Also the new midsize Ram and metric Fiat pickup won't be hitting the market till 2021 anyhow. So Saltillo would just sit empty... makes no sense. This is what I have been predicting the whole time.
 
Ram HD is still coming to Michigan... just it will probably be in 2021 as the 2022 models are supposed to be the actual 5th Gen Ram, unlike these 2019 models. We actually predicted this on 5thGenRams.com. Wagoneer has been pushed back to 2021 model year anyhow, and Durango won't move to body-on-frame until 2021 as well. So it fits perfect. Just means the Ram 1500 Classic (DS) gets to live through the 2020 model year racking in all that cash! CASH COW! Its a good move by FCA US to make more money.
With all the additional RAM capacity, it's RAMAGEDDON for Mary..."Net Debt Mary":https://moparinsiders.com/community...fitability-trash-net-debt-mary.994/#post-4213
 
As a salesman on the frontline, I really really realllllly don't like the idea of selling these Classics any longer. As it currently stands, it is tough selling the 2018 DS Rams next to the 19 DT Rams, let alone the Classic 19s now arriving. Unless they reopen the trim levels on DS, it's going to be a tough go for us reps.
 
As a salesman on the frontline, I really really realllllly don't like the idea of selling these Classics any longer. As it currently stands, it is tough selling the 2018 DS Rams next to the 19 DT Rams, let alone the Classic 19s now arriving. Unless they reopen the trim levels on DS, it's going to be a tough go for us reps.
What is your ordering mix like? We're getting all high-end DTs with a few optioned-up Big Horns and the cheaper trucks are ordered as the DS Classics instead of DT.
 
Is the article about the HD not the Classic?
 
What is your ordering mix like? We're getting all high-end DTs with a few optioned-up Big Horns and the cheaper trucks are ordered as the DS Classics instead of DT.
Canadians buy base models - that's why I'm so fiery about the CVP Caravan being $5000 more now than they were in 2015 for no reason.
 
Except inflation??? and to make more money? and exchange (since over the 2105 it fell over 20%?
 
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Except inflation??? and to make more money? and exchange?
1) No way there's $5k in inflation since 2015.
2) On the backs of us dealers (and we don't sell any of em' anymore because they're way too expensive for no options)
3) They're built in Windsor, Ontario, Canada.
 
Well since 2015 the Canadian dollar slipped over 20%, and your realize that the value of items of a assembled vehicle don't follow the dollar there the have stable value as a currency fluctuates.

Cummulated inflation is another 6.5% so another $1500.

And they had to spend money to on it to keep is viable.

So no if anything they should be marked up more in Canada.

Plus they should charge as much as people will pay for them, the how free market economics works
 
Well since 2015 the Canadian dollar slipped over 20%, and your realize that the value of items of a assembled vehicle don't follow the dollar there the have stable value as a currency fluctuates.

Cummulated inflation is another 6.5% so another $1500.

And they had to spend money to on it to keep is viable.

So no if anything they should be marked up more in Canada.

Plus they should charge as much as people will pay for them, the how free market economics works
We sold less than 10 CVP Caravans in 2018.

When I was a salesman in 2015 I was selling 3+ CVPs a month. Doesn't matter what the market is doing honestly, the CVP is not selling because they're asking too much money. Demand still exists, it has just leaked into the pre-owned market because FCA is trying to push a ten plus year old vehicle for 20% more 3 years later. It's nonsensical, regardless of what the "market" is doing, the CVP Caravan was $19,998 for years, and without a change (besides airbags for the 2019 MY) the price went up $5k. Canadians don't care, it's too much money.
 
Steel alone is up 25% over that period
 
We sold less than 10 CVP Caravans in 2018.

When I was a salesman in 2015 I was selling 3+ CVPs a month. Doesn't matter what the market is doing honestly, the CVP is not selling because they're asking too much money. Demand still exists, it has just leaked into the pre-owned market because FCA is trying to push a ten plus year old vehicle for 20% more 3 years later. It's nonsensical, regardless of what the "market" is doing, the CVP Caravan was $19,998 for years, and without a change (besides airbags for the 2019 MY) the price went up $5k. Canadians don't care, it's too much money.

Then maybe it time for it be retired.... The assumption the cost structure has been static for 3 years is "nonsensical" If there is demand then they would pay the up charge.... Demand only there at a diminishing return is not demand.

Exchange rate has been against it, raw material have rose substantial across the board, including plastic that is nearly up 40%, steel 25%, Aluminum 15%, inflation another 6.5% (bit of a double dip) but on raw material that make car it worse.... Then they invested in model to make it compliant so it can even be sold. The idea they raised the price for nothing is false.

And has little to do with RAM. other then you claim that they buy on value.
 
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Then maybe it time for it be retired.... The assumption the cost structure has been static for 3 years is "nonsensical" If there is demand then they would pay the up charge.... Demand only there at a diminishing return is not demand.

Exchange rate has been against it, raw material have rose substantial across the board, including plastic that is nearly up 40%, steel 25%, Aluminum 15%, inflation another 6.5% (bit of a double dip) but on raw material that make car it worse.... Then they invested in model to make it compliant so it can even be sold. The idea they raised the price for nothing is false.

And has little to do with RAM. other then you claim that they buy on value.
Buy on whatever has the lowest payment over 96 months of financing with $0 down.

99% of Canadian business is as such.
 
Canadians buy base models - that's why I'm so fiery about the CVP Caravan being $5000 more now than they were in 2015 for no reason.

Yeah that is a weird move....

On December 31, 2015 the $1 US Dollar was equal to $1.39 Canadian. Now $1 US Dollar is equal to $1.31 Canadian.
 
You also have to remember, to move all the Saltillo tooling to Warren and run the truck for only three years will be crazy expensive. Keeping the HD in Mexico until the 2022 Ram HD makes it debut in 2021, makes more sense. Then Saltillo will update their plant to build the new mid-size Ram truck and metric truck Fiat Fullback. Both will be global trucks. The 2022 Ram HD will finally be on the 5th Generation Ram cabs and updated platforms.

There is no doubt in my mind they will run a full 2019 model year of Ram 1500 Classics, as well as a short run of 2020 Ram 1500 Classics before shutting Warren down before a much needed update. Warren Truck is the oldest and most outdated plant FCA US owns. They will inject $1.2 billion into the plant, to revamp the plant to build the 2021 Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer (WS) and Durango (SD). Then Ram HD can join them, sharing more of their parts compared to the 4th generation based 2019 update trucks. This timeline would give Warren Truck the time to make updates and keep both Saltillo and Warren Truck running strong till the switch overs.
 
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