I have a phev. I need the dimensions of a Compass. There is a Compass coming. Question is why does North America have to wait until 2023? Tesla in adding pressure to the other companies, but all anyone has is just talk. Talk is cheap but whiskey takes money. I don’t plan to wait two years. What are you thinking?
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Why wait two years?
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For now, North America doesn't have the same legal mandate timeline regarding emissions that the E.U (not Tesla, but Governments).
The law is Not ''Talk''.
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Actually FCA doesn't hit CAFE targets in US.
It's more likely that FCA doesn't think that PHEV Jeeps would have enough interest. And they would be priced at premium ove current Renegade or Compass offerings.
Which is my point.......if FCA had to meet those same standards in the U.S. .........they would bee way more aggressive on PHEV instead of a slow evolution approach.
But that will change on January 20.
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A. Tesla is not putting pressure on anyone. Their cars are noybuilt that well, They have their set of issues to resolve, including pressure from companies that actually know how to build cars not just design them.
B. There isn't enough demand yet. Selling very few PHEV Compassi make little help on CAFE numbers.
So 2022 model year cars are coming out in a few month. 2023 really isn't that car away. So the answer is there isn't enough @Bob Apel in NA to get that model before area where there is legislative and compliance issue to be overcome.
PHEV are on the way but don't expect the low demand of NA to be high on the roll out list.
B. There isn't enough demand yet. Selling very few PHEV Compassi make little help on CAFE numbers.
So 2022 model year cars are coming out in a few month. 2023 really isn't that car away. So the answer is there isn't enough @Bob Apel in NA to get that model before area where there is legislative and compliance issue to be overcome.
PHEV are on the way but don't expect the low demand of NA to be high on the roll out list.
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A major contributor to BEV demand in Europe are zero emissions zones. There are a few zones in the United States, but only for municipal vehicles and this is on an experimental basis. The battery electric vehicle interests in the USA have a powerful lobbying organization. It isn't just Tesla alone. This is what is behind the push to ban fossil fueled engines in the US. The BEV industry lobbyists sidestep zero or low emissions zones because the implementation of them haven't involved centralized planning. Such zones are typically under local municipal government control.
That said, zero emission zones allow for PHEVs because such a vehicle can run on battery only inside the zone. Many companies have pulled back on plugin models here in the US simply because demand is stronger overseas, it is not only FCA.
That said, zero emission zones allow for PHEVs because such a vehicle can run on battery only inside the zone. Many companies have pulled back on plugin models here in the US simply because demand is stronger overseas, it is not only FCA.
I understand the business dynamics. What I don’t understand in talking about reasonable solutions so far in the future that for now are not real. I feel I would be better served if I knew the solutions when they are available. Right now we are not able to understand fact and future fact. Further, no one at the dealers are able to clear up the confusion since no one tells them.
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Why would the dealership know anything? They would not know. They like to sell with they have. But still we are talking about the next model year. You can see the rollouts in high demand location already. The fact is every new vehicle will have a PHEV version. When it is available in NA is more about more "Bobs" willing to buy it. So gather your friends and start asking... but as it is the demand in NA still lacking. The development is complete.
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Jeep Compass PHEV FULL REVIEW 2021 Compass Plugin-Hybrid 4xe - Autogefühl - YouTube the Solution exists.
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I'm thinking that Stellantis should try to acquire Jack Daniels.
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Maker or Woodford would be a more sound investment..... Seems instead of idle threats one would come here and try to learn something. The Wrangler 4xE is being build now. The new Grand Cherokee L is shown today and will have PHEV. The Renegade and Compass 4xEs already being manufactured in Europe. There is NO cheap Talk, just impatient ill informed new members. The only thing keeping PHEV sales in USA is demand.
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GM revealed their battery electric van scheme this week. Ford announced their battery electric Transit van sometime before the holidays, and there are all sort of start up companies showing off electric LCVs or van concepts.
Fiat Professional now catalogs the battery electric e-Ducato introduced this past summer. Fiat Professional Introduces Its All-Electric Fiat E-Ducato Van: - MoparInsiders _For some reason, here in North America, the announcement didn't get much coverage beyond Mopar Insiders and a few of the green technology websites. The argument might be made, "Well the e-Ducato is for Europe," but then other places on the web gush over the EV van projects in the UK (or intended for Europe) while downplaying FCA's EV technology.
What concerns me is that the Ram ProMaster name seems to be absent from any talk of electrification. The ProMaster has enjoyed sales success with the delivery fleets wherever it is sold, including numbers of them in service to the USPS. Ram ProMaster's sales success is threatened by the availability of zero emissions capable vans planned by the competition. The USPS wants zero emissions capable vehicles and the privately owned fleets desire them as well. Some municipal fleets require plugin vehicles for zero emissions zones. Mexico City has "zero emissions corridors" for public transit. Municipal vehicles there might not be far behind. Maybe that's why Fiat imports the Ducato to Mexico even while building the Ram ProMaster there.
I don't know what will change now that Stellantis is the new reality in Auburn Hills. In Europe Fiat, Citroen and Peugeot offer battery electric vans and produce them on the same line, but I believe the electric drivetrains are different between the PSA and FCA vehicles. I would like to see a Ram ProMaster with Pacifica's PHEV drivetrain combined with the e-Ducato's modular battery packs. It would be a good fit for North America.
Fiat Professional now catalogs the battery electric e-Ducato introduced this past summer. Fiat Professional Introduces Its All-Electric Fiat E-Ducato Van: - MoparInsiders _For some reason, here in North America, the announcement didn't get much coverage beyond Mopar Insiders and a few of the green technology websites. The argument might be made, "Well the e-Ducato is for Europe," but then other places on the web gush over the EV van projects in the UK (or intended for Europe) while downplaying FCA's EV technology.
What concerns me is that the Ram ProMaster name seems to be absent from any talk of electrification. The ProMaster has enjoyed sales success with the delivery fleets wherever it is sold, including numbers of them in service to the USPS. Ram ProMaster's sales success is threatened by the availability of zero emissions capable vans planned by the competition. The USPS wants zero emissions capable vehicles and the privately owned fleets desire them as well. Some municipal fleets require plugin vehicles for zero emissions zones. Mexico City has "zero emissions corridors" for public transit. Municipal vehicles there might not be far behind. Maybe that's why Fiat imports the Ducato to Mexico even while building the Ram ProMaster there.
I don't know what will change now that Stellantis is the new reality in Auburn Hills. In Europe Fiat, Citroen and Peugeot offer battery electric vans and produce them on the same line, but I believe the electric drivetrains are different between the PSA and FCA vehicles. I would like to see a Ram ProMaster with Pacifica's PHEV drivetrain combined with the e-Ducato's modular battery packs. It would be a good fit for North America.
Great post.
Considering that Stellantis is noted as being a major market leader in commercial vans, I would love to see how they respond to all these new electric delivery van start ups which are cropping up.
In fact, this might even deserve it's own topic, if the powers that be agree?
I would think that the battery electric versions of the current Ducato/Promaster would probably undercut the cost of any of these new designs, so that should give them a leg up.
Still, I wonder if some of these featured design elements, like sliding doors, not to mention a clean sheet/dedicated BEV design might be desired enough by customers to make a dent in sales.
North America will have to wait to 2023 at least! Yes.