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When Stellantis flops (imminent), who picks up Chrysler this time?

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My pick, Magna International, IF they are still interested. They made a serious offer to Daimler back in 2007 but I assume Daimler bypassed them due to conditions they had at the time where any Mercedes parts would have to stay like the $250 a pop NAG1 5spd or E/S class suspension components in the LX trio that were likely just as over priced - easier to sell it to a clown private investment firm.

Magna could hit the ground running, they know manufacturing - global manufacturing- they built the 300 wagon in Europe, they are north America based and can get things fired back up over here. They are also a leader in EV power systems if it goes that route (doubtful).

No more private equity firms and no more European "mergers" where they just steal all their profits
 
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ChargerFan1 said:
My pick, Magna International, IF they are still interested. They made a serious offer to Daimler back in 2007 but I assume Daimler bypassed them due to conditions they had at the time where any Mercedes parts would be replaced like the $250 a pop NAG1 5spd or E/S class suspension components in the LX trio that were likely just as over priced - easier to sell it to a clown private investment firm.

Magna could hit the ground running, they know manufacturing - global manufacturing- they built the 300 wagon in Europe, they are north America based and can get things fired back up over here. They are also a leader in EV power systems if it goes that route (doubtful).

No more private equity firms and no more European "mergers" where they just steal all their profits
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ChargerFan1 said:
My pick, Magna International, IF they are still interested. They made a serious offer to Daimler back in 2007 but I assume Daimler bypassed them due to conditions they had at the time where any Mercedes parts would be replaced like the $250 a pop NAG1 5spd or E/S class suspension components in the LX trio that were likely just as over priced - easier to sell it to a clown private investment firm.

Magna could hit the ground running, they know manufacturing - global manufacturing- they built the 300 wagon in Europe, they are north America based and can get things fired back up over here. They are also a leader in EV power systems if it goes that route (doubtful).

No more private equity firms and no more European "mergers" where they just steal all their profits
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Yet Magna Steyr is a Austrian based automobile manufacturer. So doesn't that null and void a European Merger ?? Don't get me wrong I would love to see Dodge and Chrysler get the love they deserve but even if this happens it will be a minimum a decade before they can have a car or suv to sell to the public.. I don't see Stellantis allowing them to use any intellectual, proprietary properties so they'd have to start on a clean slate. That means no Hemi, Charger,Challenger,300, or any use of the storied nameplates as Stellantis holds the rights to those names.
 
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Yet Magna Steyr is a Austrian based automobile manufacturer. So doesn't that null and void a European Merger ?? Don't get me wrong I would love to see Dodge and Chrysler get the love they deserve but even if this happens it will be a minimum a decade before they can have a car or suv to sell to the public.. I don't see Stellantis allowing them to use any intellectual, proprietary properties so they'd have to start on a clean slate. That means no Hemi, Charger,Challenger,300, or any use of the storied nameplates as Stellantis holds the rights to those names.
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Magna is based in Ontario Canada and they are a top tier supplier to every auto maker. They were the ethical and logical choice to sell to back in 2007 but that would mean daimler wouldn't get to keep supplying out dated parts at exaggerated prices. Theoretically right after a Magna sale you would have seen cars with top notch equipment right out of the gate.
 
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ChargerFan1 said:
My pick, Magna International, IF they are still interested. They made a serious offer to Daimler back in 2007 but I assume Daimler bypassed them due to conditions they had at the time where any Mercedes parts would have to stay like the $250 a pop NAG1 5spd or E/S class suspension components in the LX trio that were likely just as over priced - easier to sell it to a clown private investment firm.

Magna could hit the ground running, they know manufacturing - global manufacturing- they built the 300 wagon in Europe, they are north America based and can get things fired back up over here. They are also a leader in EV power systems if it goes that route (doubtful).

No more private equity firms and no more European "mergers" where they just steal all their profits
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With the damage Tavares has done, there's not much left. Quality is in the toilet, the work force that's left is waiting to retire or just doesn't care anymore. Too many of those that know how to do what they do, left. Lots full of questionable product no one wants. I really don't think this corpse can be revived. Sad.
 
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With the damage Tavares has done, there's not much left. Quality is in the toilet, the work force that's left is waiting to retire or just doesn't care anymore. Too many of those that know how to do what they do, left. Lots full of questionable product no one wants. I really don't think this corpse can be revived. Sad.
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It can be fixed, Chrysler seems to go through a near death experience every decade or so. One scenario is Stellantis keeps Ram and Jeep and offloads Dodge, Plymouth and Chrysler. Dodge can just start making Dodge trucks again D50, D150, D250, D350, RamCharger 4x4, Charger, Challenger and some small CUV to fill any gaps. With Chrysler its best shot is probably to be something of a blend between Acura and Lincoln and I would use partnerships with other auto makers to make that happen
 
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A Dodge spinoff isn’t going to just start making trucks again, and your list shows you’re living 35 years in the past.

A startup Dodge truck division would have to start from scratch, and you’re going up against the well-established, well known, well loved Ram trucks with Cummins engines, which a new Dodge startup would not have, not to mention the other established brands on the market.

Not only is it not viable, it’s a pipedream, failure before launch and frankly foolish outlook.
 
The Chinese are trying to enter the NA market. I would not be surprised if they picked up the pieces.
 
Sigh. Based upon all the news at this point, I just don't see the U.S. brands under one umbrella in the future any longer. Maybe am wrong(hoping so).
Don't think Lee could pull this mess together unless something positive happens and happens NOW.
Just seems we're at sea with a rudder rotated to sink and we're just waiting to see what parts of the ship are left floating. Sorry folks, just hard to see the positive when the 'captain' is so bent on his own ideas where to steer and refuses to listen and/or consider options.
Sad times. 😞
 
I think Stellantis could divest Dodge and Chrysler while still being partially tethered to Stellantis until the two could find a viable buyer. But I doubt they are even interested in doing so.
Chrysler hasn't really had a new model in 20+ years. They've been left to languish on the vine. Dodge revived itself by making relevant, high performance cars that got everyone talking even though those model cars were 20+ years old. They really haven't had new product either unless you consider the slow selling Hornet. Now they have a new Charger about to finally come to market. Unless you were a fan of the old, classic Charger, you aren't going to be too excited by this one. It is different from anything else on the market today, though. Let's hope it sells, gets rave reviews and good marketing.
 
cgseller said:
Is that what they thought about the PT Cruiser ?
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The Neon based PT Cruiser was a hot item for a few years back in the day. I still see a few on the road today. They should have made a larger one and capitalized on the early momentum.
 
What can anyone say ? Carlos with the blessing of the STLA board of directors has killed the Chrysler NA money machine ! With quality in the toilet, I'm advising friends and relatives to stay clear of the once great Chrysler products, when they ask me for family and friends discounts. If corporate raiders enter the picture, it's all over. History has been made by Carlos, he destroyed a cash cow that was the envy of other auto manufactures in just a few short years ! If Musk bought this mess, he could make Chrysler great again, but that would take many years. Where are all the American titans of industry ? All I see is disaster as the US automakers lose market share year after year.
Just my 2 cents.
 
Elon wouldn't own it, he'd be the Chrysler czar and oversee it being detached from France and put on its own again and find a suitable buyer. Its not a hard job, if well run its 90's Chrysler again and gushing profits building cars people want. It needs a total management flushing and a new younger team installed (Gilles goes along with everyone else). Only then can you see a REAL Mopar revitalization. Too many jobs to toss it in the trash.
 
I have to disagree with Mopar 426. Musk's ego is way too large to work for someone else. He could afford to buy it and hire the best and the brightest to run the corporation under his watchful eye. But STLA thinks they can turn around Chrysler NA, and that is a sad joke ! Time and again European thinking has crashed Chrysler except for Sergio who wanted to sell it, strange thinking as Chrysler was a large moneymaker even with their outdated products. All the product updates went to the at that time current rage, PU trucks, leaving the rest of the field to wither on the vine. With the focus on gas guzzlers, the execs never covered their 6 with entry level vehicles such as updated PT Cruisers , Neon's and Chrysler 200s. We who were around saw that same disaster play out in 1980, but this time no Chairman Lee to bail their dumb a$$'s out !
 
DodgeFL said:
I have to disagree with Mopar 426. Musk's ego is way too large to work for someone else. He could afford to buy it and hire the best and the brightest to run the corporation under his watchful eye. But STLA thinks they can turn around Chrysler NA, and that is a sad joke ! Time and again European thinking has crashed Chrysler except for Sergio who wanted to sell it, strange thinking as Chrysler was a large moneymaker even with their outdated products. All the product updates went to the at that time current rage, PU trucks, leaving the rest of the field to wither on the vine. With the focus on gas guzzlers, the execs never covered their 6 with entry level vehicles such as updated PT Cruisers , Neon's and Chrysler 200s. We who were around saw that same disaster play out in 1980, but this time no Chairman Lee to bail their dumb a$$'s out !
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If he wanted it he could dig in his couch for change and buy it tomorrow. He doesn't want any of them - why would he? It may not be him, but another Car Czar (IMO) will be enlisted to clean up the mess and get them a new buyer.

Steve Rattner was the last car czar and back then they were determined that they needed a partner. They do not and never did.
 
Hmmmm ? Car czar, any American ones ? Look at FORD, one mistake after another with recalls and more recalls, engine failures, and more. Lincoln sales falling off a cliff as the word is out about engine failures due to poor design. GM lurching around but making $$, for now, but engine failures plaguing them as well. Meanwhile, the Asian brands scoop up more market share as the D2 stumble.
 
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