Stellantis says no to NACS for now.

[CloversPlusCats]

Stellantis says it's not ready to adopt Tesla's NACS connector, but it is considering it

Stellantis confirmed that it is “evaluating” Tesla’s NACS connector. It is considering adopting it, but the automaker doesn’t seem ready...

electrek.co

Thoughts? This likely squanders Ram REV hitting good sales compared to its rivals, and the Dodge may not even get a fair chance to shake the market up if it's connected to multiple below average charging networks. I'd accept delays if it meant they'd catch up to the new Big 3.

 

[UN4GTBL]

It will be interesting to see if Ford and GM can offer the same problem free charging that Tesla owners currently enjoy, or if it will be the same gong show that EA is now.

Alex on Autos did a video where he tried out one of the new Tesla charger stations that can also charge other vehicles and it was a hassle for him to get it to work and to park so that he could connect.

 

[patfromigh]

The SAE has put a lot of work into the present day J1772/CCS standard. As much as we all like to hate CARB, that regulation body helped standardize this. BTW, FCA contributed the ongoing evolution of our charging network with the PHEV Ram truck program with the DOE last decade.

Should we apologize to the Asian companies for dumping CHAdeMO for the J1772/CCS1 standard? The company I work for spent a lot of money on EV chargers for our plugin vehicles. Many of them are Stellantis products. If I had just paid money for a wall box for my Jeep, I would be ticked off.

 

[ChargerFan1]

They've only sold 2 Hummer EV's from Jan-April of this year. GM says even at $30,000 people dont want them. All of this EV stuff is failing

 

[patfromigh]

All of this EV stuff is failing

Not all of it, I predict great success for city cars and delivery vans. However, the Hummer EV is a 10,000 pound GVW vehicle with a half ton payload capacity. I can't help but wonder if that contributed to GM cleaning out the engineering ranks before embarking on the Hummer EV program. Speaking in general, the government's EV push is a house of cards that is bound to crash. I didn't use the term crash and burn because EVs don't need to crash before burning.

 

[cygnus]

If Tesla wants Fed money, the Tesla chargers require both CCS and NACS. Probably the only thing I agree on with this regime.

 

[patfromigh]

That electrek article is a propaganda piece, mostly about how behind Stellantis is in building battery electric vehicles. The article linked above completely ignores the situation in Europe as others have already stated on this forum. Ford and GM are selling consumer toys at a loss. Remember how Sergio M already was lambasted for his quip about don't buy the Fiat 500e (the original model) because they lose money on each one? He was telling the truth then and now GM and Ford are experiencing that reality today.

The socialist regime running our country is dictating ambitious measures to force battery electric vehicles into the market place. They are forcing manufacturers to build products without known consumer acceptance. This same regime has relied on the VW dieselgate settlement to fund a charging infrastructure for electric vehicles, which has proven inadequate.

Tesla also builds consumer toys. This is very apparent in the colder regions of America where Teslas are three season products. Like FCA, Tesla lost money on their cars early on, but made that up by selling CAFE credits to other companies. Tesla also built their supercharger network because they are smart enough to see sales of battery electric vehicles is closely tied to the available infrastructure.

The USA lacks significant supporting infrastructure for electric vehicles. Ford and GM have problems pushing their consumer toys to suspicious buyers and so they blamed the charging network, which is only part of the problem. When Tesla is no longer making money from selling CAFE credits they can recoup the loss at their charging network by charging those other brand owners higher rates. In the meantime, the socialist clown show running things should stop lying and admit there is a problem. There isn't enough of an adequate infrastructure, and perhaps private enterprise has some solutions. Some convenience store chains have already started to invest and install charging stations, but the government red tape stands in the way. Manufacturers dumping the J1772/CCS standard only make things worse. More choices are good for the marketplace, but we are given less by this socialist regime.

 

[cgseller]

That electrek article is a propaganda piece, mostly about how behind Stellantis is in building battery electric vehicles. The article linked above completely ignores the situation in Europe as others have already stated on this forum. Ford and GM are selling consumer toys at a loss. Remember how Sergio M already was lambasted for his quip about don't buy the Fiat 500e (the original model) because they lose money on each one? He was telling the truth then and now GM and Ford are experiencing that reality today.

The socialist regime running our country is dictating ambitious measures to force battery electric vehicles into the market place. They are forcing manufacturers to build products without known consumer acceptance. This same regime has relied on the VW dieselgate settlement to fund a charging infrastructure for electric vehicles, which has proven inadequate.

Tesla also builds consumer toys. This is very apparent in the colder regions of America where Teslas are three season products. Like FCA, Tesla lost money on their cars early on, but made that up by selling CAFE credits to other companies. Tesla also built their supercharger network because they are smart enough to see sales of battery electric vehicles is closely tied to the available infrastructure.

The USA lacks significant supporting infrastructure for electric vehicles. Ford and GM have problems pushing their consumer toys to suspicious buyers and so they blamed the charging network, which is only part of the problem. When Tesla is no longer making money from selling CAFE credits they can recoup the loss at their charging network by charging those other brand owners higher rates. In the meantime, the socialist clown show running things should stop lying and admit there is a problem. There isn't enough of an adequate infrastructure, and perhaps private enterprise has some solutions. Some convenience store chains have already started to invest and install charging stations, but the government red tape stands in the way. Manufacturers dumping the J1772/CCS standard only make things worse. More choices are good for the marketplace, but we are given less by this socialist regime.

I'm not sure I follow some of the statements above.

Tesla's 2022 Year End statements say

Profit : 3.7 billion in net profit
Profit from Credits : $1.8 billion

source : Tesla made an annual profit of $12.6 billion in 2022