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New engines for Dodge Challenger V8 replacements in 2024?

VANISHING POINT #1

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Mopar392 said:
It is not a replacement per se. More of another power option for now.
“We haven’t said that we are discontinuing any engines,” Jewett notes. “The Hemi is incredibly popular, and it's important to our customers. The Hemi V-8 is in our product portfolio for the foreseeable future.”

Unless things changed, 6.4l HEMI upgrade was due in 2025, which is just in time for the next generation SRT Charger and Challenger as well as the updated RAM HD.
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Last year of 6.4 is 2023.
 
VANISHING POINT #1 said:
Last year of 6.4 is 2023.
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Not really.
Jewett said HEMI in the portfolio for the foreseeable future.
Tim has previously said there will be an overlap of the classic and the new.
But it was never stated whether it’s the car itself or the engine. All the publications assumed it’s the car itself, but adding Jewett’s statement to Tim’s lead me to believe it’s the engine that will overlap.
 
Mopar392 said:
Not really.
Jewett said HEMI in the portfolio for the foreseeable future.
Tim has previously said there will be an overlap of the classic and the new.
But it was never stated whether it’s the car itself or the engine. All the publications assumed it’s the car itself, but adding Jewett’s statement to Tim’s lead me to believe it’s the engine that will overlap.
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I hope you are correct which gives the current Challenger SPWB more time than just 2023 so I can get one for sure.
 
For most of my life I 've witnessed Mustangs and Camaros far out selling Challengers and Barracudas, Same with Pickups. Finally, I saw this turn around. It took long enough. Build quality of Chrysler products kept pace with the competition as did styling. Only keeping pace isn't likely to fuel long-held buying habits. So, what suddenly influenced buyers to break with tradition and buy a Charger, Challenger, or Ram for the first time? It was an aggressive and successful campaign which introduced the mystical Hemi to the public. Prior to that a hemi was known primarily to racing enthusiasts. Not since 1958 was a hemi a realistic option that didn't include abusive insurance rates like the 426.
The 3rd gen hemi has continued to evolve and capture new car buyers and the momentum continues. So, it's time to abandon the hemi platform? Personally, I see this as a disconnect of the French and Italians. Maybe they just aren't aware of this. If not, it isn't encouraging for the future of Dodge. It's no different than replacing the Cummins diesel with some unknown 3rd world diesel and expecting the market to not notice. Hint to management: They will notice.
 
Ron E said:
For most of my life I 've witnessed Mustangs and Camaros far out selling Challengers and Barracudas, Same with Pickups. Finally, I saw this turn around. It took long enough. Build quality of Chrysler products kept pace with the competition as did styling. Only keeping pace isn't likely to fuel long-held buying habits. So, what suddenly influenced buyers to break with tradition and buy a Charger, Challenger, or Ram for the first time? It was an aggressive and successful campaign which introduced the mystical Hemi to the public. Prior to that a hemi was known primarily to racing enthusiasts. Not since 1958 was a hemi a realistic option that didn't include abusive insurance rates like the 426.
The 3rd gen hemi has continued to evolve and capture new car buyers and the momentum continues. So, it's time to abandon the hemi platform? Personally, I see this as a disconnect of the French and Italians. Maybe they just aren't aware of this. If not, it isn't encouraging for the future of Dodge. It's no different than replacing the Cummins diesel with some unknown 3rd world diesel and expecting the market to not notice. Hint to management: They will notice.
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Why does a Hemi have 16 spark plugs where most V8 engines only have 8 spark plugs? :unsure:
 
It's related to meeting smog rules. I don't think its any kind of disqualifier. Ford and Nissan have used dual plugs in the past. If fuel milage is a concern maybe the engineering group should put their efforts into a lighter platform for these engines. They can return 25+ highway MPG in the current 4300 lb. vehicles. In a 3400 lb. car with decent aerodynamics they'd return 30+ highway. The hemis evolved past the valve-seat dropping early versions into wonderfully refined engines that are easily capable of 200K+ miles. In a lighter vehicle they could avoid the gas guzzler tax w/o the cylinder-dropping required in automatics. That would decrease production costs and complexity as well as cancel their largest reliability complaints.
My opinion means nothing to the corporate powers. Their decision has obviously been made. That doesn't mean I have to fall in line and respect it. I currently drive a 3 liter twin turbo car. It's satisfying in it's own right. It would be a close drag race with my older brother's 5.7 2012 R/T Charger. However my younger brother's 2021 6.4 Scat Pack Challenger is on a whole different level.
It's just sad to see how these engines have jump-started the Dodge brand. Now Dodge enjoys a larger slice of the market. My worthless opinion is they're tossing out what got them there.
 
Ron E said:
It's related to meeting smog rules. I don't think its any kind of disqualifier. Ford and Nissan have used dual plugs in the past. If fuel milage is a concern maybe the engineering group should put their efforts into a lighter platform for these engines. They can return 25+ highway MPG in the current 4300 lb. vehicles. In a 3400 lb. car with decent aerodynamics they'd return 30+ highway. The hemis evolved past the valve-seat dropping early versions into wonderfully refined engines that are easily capable of 200K+ miles. In a lighter vehicle they could avoid the gas guzzler tax w/o the cylinder-dropping required in automatics. That would decrease production costs and complexity as well as cancel their largest reliability complaints.
My opinion means nothing to the corporate powers. Their decision has obviously been made. That doesn't mean I have to fall in line and respect it. I currently drive a 3 liter twin turbo car. It's satisfying in it's own right. It would be a close drag race with my older brother's 5.7 2012 R/T Charger. However my younger brother's 2021 6.4 Scat Pack Challenger is on a whole different level.
It's just sad to see how these engines have jump-started the Dodge brand. Now Dodge enjoys a larger slice of the market. My worthless opinion is they're tossing out what got them there.
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Yes the 6.4 Scat Pack Challenger is a KILLER in it regular aspirated form with useable street power unlike the more expensive super charged Challengers.
 
What's more intriguing to me is the Ram 1500. Have they mentioned a firm date when the new I-6T goes on sale in the Ram?

5th Gen Ram is now in it's 4th model year, so the mid-cycle refresh should be coming up soon and that would be a great time for them to offer the new engine if they're going to.

I'm a Hemi guy through and through. I'm just interested to see if this new I-6T can do a better job at MPG than the Ford/Toyota V6T...because those are terrible especially when towing.
 
No replacement for displacement… but the L6 is the (short time) near futur, especially with PHEV tech. Prior to a new full BEV area which will arrive pretty soon.
 
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