How Good Of Fuel Economy Does The New 2023 Dodge Hornet GT Get?

Mike201 · Jan 30, 2023

I am so glad Dodge got into this market. I do wish for a mid-size to be a true Journey replacement. I see here in this article it is being compared to the Jeep Compass due to size matching/segment. I enjoyed the comparison. But on a side note, getting back to the Compass story that was posted 1/26 on the "New Turbocharged 2023 Jeep Compass". I was surprised that the new Turbocharged 2.0 in-line four cylinder is only getting 27 24/32 MPG and every one is thrilled with that. As an owner of a 2017 Jeep Cherokee, which my wife is primary driver, she gets the same MPG, at times better, than the projected Compass. So we have an older vehicle with the GREAT 3.6 liter, which is heaver and slightly bigger SUV, yet Jeep customers have thrown their money at the smaller Compass, putting the current Cherokee to its rest next month, at least for the time being. Can't figure out why the flocking to the Compass. I hope something good comes of this. I would like to see the over seas Commander 3 row Jeep (based on the Cherokee Platform) make it to the US as the next Cherokee, and maybe a sister version as a Dodge "Journey". If not, the Mexican Journey would be a nice fit here in the US. The more I read about it and see it the more I like it. I do wish the Hornet much success and great sales numbers!!!!

TripleT · Jan 30, 2023

Mike201 said:
I am so glad Dodge got into this market. I do wish for a mid-size to be a true Journey replacement. I see here in this article it is being compared to the Jeep Compass due to size matching/segment. I enjoyed the comparison. But on a side note, getting back to the Compass story that was posted 1/26 on the "New Turbocharged 2023 Jeep Compass". I was surprised that the new Turbocharged 2.0 in-line four cylinder is only getting 27 24/32 MPG and every one is thrilled with that. As an owner of a 2017 Jeep Cherokee, which my wife is primary driver, she gets the same MPG, at times better, than the projected Compass. So we have an older vehicle with the GREAT 3.6 liter, which is heaver and slightly bigger SUV, yet Jeep customers have thrown their money at the smaller Compass, putting the current Cherokee to its rest next month, at least for the time being. Can't figure out why the flocking to the Compass. I hope something good comes of this. I would like to see the over seas Commander 3 row Jeep (based on the Cherokee Platform) make it to the US as the next Cherokee, and maybe a sister version as a Dodge "Journey". If not, the Mexican Journey would be a nice fit here in the US. The more I read about it and see it the more I like it. I do wish the Hornet much success and great sales numbers!!!!

Dodge has grown past rental company specials. I not sure what you liked about the Journey other than price, it was literally the poorest Mopar I have ever owned. The horrible Mitsubishi platform made on a different version of CATIA was always a issue. As for the CUSW platform it is dead. As for the Trumpchi sold in Mexico, that arrangement is falling apart, not sure how a Chinese built car would fair here. I get that people are looking for affordable, but they are looking no to print cars for zero margin. I do expect a Mid-Sided SUV from Dodge but sharing more with the Airflow and KM then anything else.

Mike201 · Jan 30, 2023

TripleT said:
Dodge has grown past rental company specials. I not sure what you liked about the Journey other than price, it was literally the poorest Mopar I have ever owned. The horrible Mitsubishi platform made on a different version of CATIA was always a issue. As for the CUSW platform it is dead. As for the Trumpchi sold in Mexico, that arrangement is falling apart, not sure how a Chinese built car would fair here. I get that people are looking for affordable, but they are looking no to print cars for zero margin. I do expect a Mid-Sided SUV from Dodge but sharing more with the Airflow and KM then anything else.

A couple of things to answer your questions, or comments...
1) On the "rental Specials", that can be said for ALL Mopars, I have rented a 300, Charger and was tempted to rent a Challenger, but needed something bigger. Also have had Jeeps from rentals, so that seems irrelevant.
2) I was given a Journey, by my dealer, (one of their loaners, well equipped, not a rental) when my Charger was in the shop. Found the size better (bigger) than my Cherokee, and I liked the 3rd row. Never popped the hood so not sure what it had, but had no issues with power. I have several co-workers who have them and out of 4, only one said he is not a fan.
3) As for the Chinese made Mexican version, I said I liked the look/style and size. Maybe something similar can be made here or in Mexico to give us that bigger option.

Seems may other car companies US and forigen are putting out several sizes of their SUV's and crossovers. Seems Mopar is down sizing so much won't be much to choose from. Even lost our mid-size car a few years back. Kind of sucks. Mopar has NO market for ages 18-25. My 25 year old daughter drives a Chrysler 200 and LOVES it. What does Mopar have for her when its time to trade it in? NOTHING!!! There is nothing out there with Mopar badging for 18-25 year olds. Most of them, paying for college can not get into a Jeep or Challenger. At some point Stellantis better get back in the game or its over. Everyone can't buy a Jeep or Ram. Same goes for SUV's. What does Mopar have outside of the pricey Jeeps? A pricey Durango? We can do better. I am really hoping the Hornet is a start in the right direction and the start to something good. We need more than 3 or 4 vehicles per division. We have lost the youth sales to Honda and Toyota.

TripleT · Jan 30, 2023

Mike201 said:
A couple of things to answer your questions, or comments...
1) On the "rental Specials", that can be said for ALL Mopars, I have rented a 300, Charger and was tempted to rent a Challenger, but needed something bigger. Also have had Jeeps from rentals, so that seems irrelevant.
2) I was given a Journey, by my dealer, (one of their loaners, well equipped, not a rental) when my Charger was in the shop. Found the size better (bigger) than my Cherokee, and I liked the 3rd row. Never popped the hood so not sure what it had, but had no issues with power. I have several co-workers who have them and out of 4, only one said he is not a fan.
3) As for the Chinese made Mexican version, I said I liked the look/style and size. Maybe something similar can be made here or in Mexico to give us that bigger option.

Seems may other car companies US and forigen are putting out several sizes of their SUV's and crossovers. Seems Mopar is down sizing so much won't be much to choose from. Even lost our mid-size car a few years back. Kind of sucks. Mopar has NO market for ages 18-25. My 25 year old daughter drives a Chrysler 200 and LOVES it. What does Mopar have for her when its time to trade it in? NOTHING!!! There is nothing out there with Mopar badging for 18-25 year olds. Most of them, paying for college can not get into a Jeep or Challenger. At some point Stellantis better get back in the game or its over. Everyone can't buy a Jeep or Ram. Same goes for SUV's. What does Mopar have outside of the pricey Jeeps? A pricey Durango? We can do better. I am really hoping the Hornet is a start in the right direction and the start to something good. We need more than 3 or 4 vehicles per division. We have lost the youth sales to Honda and Toyota.

I suppose you are a value buyer, which fine.... that market was a recipe for constantly being on the edge of bankruptcy. Dodge has the lowest Demographic age so, so much for the losing the youth comment.

The Journey was poorly designed vehicle, as was the 200. The 200 lost money per unit, and Journey eventually made money purely on manufacturing location and paid off development. It was not a good car dynamically or from a quality perspective, it was a pure value model.

Jeep is the SUV and CUV subbrand. There are only CDJR dealerships so to comparison to Ford, Honda, and Toyota must be looking at from a full line perspective. The Compas and Renegade are the value models the Cherokee was canabalized by the Compass and low margins. There is no division there are CDJR and it sub-brands. There are product pushes at Dodge and Chyrsler but it not going to come all at once. Airflow is wagonnish vehicle, there will be a Dodge similar sized and then the KM. If one is buying on value which is really the only thing the 200 and Journey offered I hate to say it one is better looking at the Koreans.

The days of filling capacity with models that make no margin, but good news PSA management is pretty fond of just changing coachwork and slapping a different name on models so you may get your wish for some non=distinctive models with different names smacked on the front to make it seem like there is some diversity in models ..... look at the eCMP in Europe.

ClaySustaita · Jan 31, 2023

Mike201 said:
A couple of things to answer your questions, or comments...
1) On the "rental Specials", that can be said for ALL Mopars, I have rented a 300, Charger and was tempted to rent a Challenger, but needed something bigger. Also have had Jeeps from rentals, so that seems irrelevant.
2) I was given a Journey, by my dealer, (one of their loaners, well equipped, not a rental) when my Charger was in the shop. Found the size better (bigger) than my Cherokee, and I liked the 3rd row. Never popped the hood so not sure what it had, but had no issues with power. I have several co-workers who have them and out of 4, only one said he is not a fan.
3) As for the Chinese made Mexican version, I said I liked the look/style and size. Maybe something similar can be made here or in Mexico to give us that bigger option.

Seems may other car companies US and forigen are putting out several sizes of their SUV's and crossovers. Seems Mopar is down sizing so much won't be much to choose from. Even lost our mid-size car a few years back. Kind of sucks. Mopar has NO market for ages 18-25. My 25 year old daughter drives a Chrysler 200 and LOVES it. What does Mopar have for her when its time to trade it in? NOTHING!!! There is nothing out there with Mopar badging for 18-25 year olds. Most of them, paying for college can not get into a Jeep or Challenger. At some point Stellantis better get back in the game or its over. Everyone can't buy a Jeep or Ram. Same goes for SUV's. What does Mopar have outside of the pricey Jeeps? A pricey Durango? A full send coin price? We can do better. I am really hoping the Hornet is a start in the right direction and the start to something good. We need more than 3 or 4 vehicles per division. We have lost the youth sales to Honda and Toyota.

The current Cherokee will be retired next month, at least temporarily, since Jeep buyers have poured their money into the less expensive Compass. I don't see why people are flocking to the Compass. I'm hoping for a positive outcome from this. I hope the Commander 3 row Jeep from overseas, which is built on the Cherokee platform, makes it to the US as the next Cherokee and perhaps in a sibling model as a Dodge "Journey". The Mexican Journey might suit well in the US if not. I enjoy it more and more as I read and see more about it. I really hope the Hornet is successful and has a lot of sales!

TripleT · Jan 31, 2023

ClaySustaita said:
The current Cherokee will be retired next month, at least temporarily, since Jeep buyers have poured their money into the less expensive Compass. I don't see why people are flocking to the Compass. I'm hoping for a positive outcome from this. I hope the Commander 3 row Jeep from overseas, which is built on the Cherokee platform, makes it to the US as the next Cherokee and perhaps in a sibling model as a Dodge "Journey". The Mexican Journey might suit well in the US if not. I enjoy it more and more as I read and see more about it. I really hope the Hornet is successful and has a lot of sales!

CUSW is dead in NA, the Trumpchi will not be sold here that partnership has disolved, If there is Journey which was meant to be the replacement for short caravan that name is retired and the Midsized Dodge is called Magnum.

Rustydodge · Jan 31, 2023

Sure the journey wasn't great from profitability standpoint. It was great for entry level 3rd row option for value buyers. I will likely pick up a used one for a runabout / kids first vehicle purchase unless they choose to buy their own vehicle of choice. A lot to like about a AWD optional small three row thats cheap and can get your kid thru high school / college

I've enjoyed the rental journey experiences far more than similar rentals (compass, rav4, etc). And compared to my brother's freestyle he uses as a runabout its way better option.

TripleT · Jan 31, 2023

Rustydodge said:
Sure the journey wasn't great from profitability standpoint. It was great for entry level 3rd row option for value buyers. I will likely pick up a used one for a runabout / kids first vehicle purchase unless they choose to buy their own vehicle of choice. A lot to like about a AWD optional small three row thats cheap and can get your kid thru high school / college

I've enjoyed the rental journey experiences far more than similar rentals (compass, rav4, etc). And compared to my brother's freestyle he uses as a runabout its way better option.

It wasn't great I lived with one for 2 years. It was pure value, it was a cheap 3 row. The quality wasn't good, the driving dynamics was good, the build quality wasn't good. The Pentastar was a decent powerplant. It just wasn't up top current standard of ST vehicles. It was just blah. I had a Compass several months and it was far better vehicle just minus the child sized jump seat in the back.

And again the reason to make cars is make profit.

Hopefully the Hornet will live up to today standards.

Rustydodge · Jan 31, 2023

What else is better 3row at its price point? We agree its a value vehicle, so expect value build quality with a plus of excellent pentastar reliability, i'd expect. Curious what quality issues and costs you had though?

Come to think of it, it was a cherokee i had as a rental and wasn't impressed with but i think it was a trailhawk. Felt "on its tippy-toes" and not enough down-travel it was probably a 2015. Really under-impressed me for a "jeep".

TripleT · Jan 31, 2023

Rustydodge said:
What else is better 3row at its price point? We agree its a value vehicle, so expect value build quality with a plus of excellent pentastar reliability, i'd expect. Curious what quality issues and costs you had though?

Come to think of it, it was a cherokee i had as a rental and wasn't impressed with but i think it was a trailhawk. Felt "on its tippy-toes" and not enough down-travel it was probably a 2015. Really under-impressed me for a "jeep".

I don't want to hijack this thread anymore about the Journey which doesn't fit Dodges Mission anymore and was made during the very dark days.

Lets start with the Platform. Not a very good platform to start with then you combine the fact the designers had to spend more time importing files from uncompatible version of Catia then design good cars. The rear seat was not a replacement for the SWB minivan as intended. Children only. The suspension felt wandering, the brakes had constant issues, plenty of noise intrusion, fixed later that interior was bargain basement, poor tactical feelings and lazy design.

It felt for the entire time just like it was, a fleet queen. The way a Cherokee drive is infinitely better than any day in the Journey. No driving dynamics is not important to everyone cheap and three rows was not enough for me. There is no Margin in category unless you are importing to significant parts from low cost world regions like the Koreans and GM do.

UN4GTBL · Jan 31, 2023

Mike201 said:
I am so glad Dodge got into this market. I do wish for a mid-size to be a true Journey replacement. I see here in this article it is being compared to the Jeep Compass due to size matching/segment. I enjoyed the comparison. But on a side note, getting back to the Compass story that was posted 1/26 on the "New Turbocharged 2023 Jeep Compass". I was surprised that the new Turbocharged 2.0 in-line four cylinder is only getting 27 24/32 MPG and every one is thrilled with that. As an owner of a 2017 Jeep Cherokee, which my wife is primary driver, she gets the same MPG, at times better, than the projected Compass. So we have an older vehicle with the GREAT 3.6 liter, which is heaver and slightly bigger SUV, yet Jeep customers have thrown their money at the smaller Compass, putting the current Cherokee to its rest next month, at least for the time being. Can't figure out why the flocking to the Compass. I hope something good comes of this. I would like to see the over seas Commander 3 row Jeep (based on the Cherokee Platform) make it to the US as the next Cherokee, and maybe a sister version as a Dodge "Journey". If not, the Mexican Journey would be a nice fit here in the US. The more I read about it and see it the more I like it. I do wish the Hornet much success and great sales numbers!!!!

Agreed 100%

I think the Hornet will be too small for my needs (especially since I have firmly in my mind the struggles I had putting suitcases in my KL this weekend because of it's curved design) but I want to drive it and a 2023 Compass.

I love my Cherokee, but the transmission (super slow to down shift - so much so that my wife says her Prius is faster) and the curved rear design (that takes away from boxy cargo capacity) are major downsides. The interior is from 2014 when it originally launched, not that I have a specific issue with the interior design or the quality of it, but the Compass and new Grand Cherokee are nicer and have Uconnect 5.

I did price out a new Compass Trailhawk as close to my KL Trailhawk as possible, and it was more than I paid for my KL

- granted the market has changed I guess.

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