What's new
Mopar Insiders Forum

Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Dodge CEO Doesn’t Deny Possible Future V8 Return For Charger

Dodge CEO Doesn’t Deny Possible Future V8 Return For Charger​

McAlear Confirms More Powertrain Variants Coming, But Stands by EV and HURRICANE Power​


1739329399284.png

Dodge’s transition to electrification and turbocharged I6 powerplants has left many enthusiasts wondering if a V8 will ever return to the Charger lineup. While Dodge CEO Matt McAlear didn’t outright confirm anything, he also didn’t rule it out. His recent interview with The Drive hinted that the possibility remains—but if a V8 were to make a comeback, it would take time.

 
maybe they can fund a New show with Richard Rawlings Slow but Loud.
 
I wouldn’t be holding my breath for a 5.7 Hemi for this car in its present power levels, let’s hope that there’s a updated V8 that is on the shelf.

This car will weigh approximately 4900 lbs with a Hemi/ 8 auto with just rear wheel drive, good sound but not very exciting performance.

I looked at one of these new Charger Daytona scat pack stage two at my local dealership and it was 107,000 canadian dollars, i bought a new 2016 Dodge Challenger R/T scat pack 392 Shaker for 55,800.00 canadian about 40 grand american. It might have been a second slower to 60 that this thing but for the money difference i am sure i could of put a blower on it.

All the crap talk about it not fitting between the strut towers is a lie, I measured the width of the 392 Hemi in the same dealer show room in a Jeep Wrangler and got 25 1/2 inches, the strut towers on the Dodge Charger were approximately 28 1/2 inches wide at the top and got wider as you move down so lots of room for headers aswell.

They really need to bring out a much smaller car than this for all out performance, and just my opinion but turbocharged v8 s sound restricted compared to a blower on the engine.

The size of this car it should be called Monaco or Polara not Charger
 
Last edited:
They really need to bring out a much smaller car than this for all out performance, and just my opinion but turbocharged v8 s sound restricted compared to a blower on the engine.
Because the Mustang and Camaro are flying off shelfs...

a lot of insiders say engine mounts won't work, the front carrier would require a redesign, sort of the opposite issue that the WL has receiving the Hurricane6

Honestly where the room to improve the Eagle? Head retention was already an issue, won't hold up to DI, it is heavy ... without boast it will always be the slow pig compared the the 6.... picking supercharger over Turbos because of exhaust note is classic poser.

There are two option...

Sell the Eagle as is pure Nostalgia and embarrassingly slow compared to everything else even the 4xE 2.0 but make the Boomers happy

Hand built Halo SRT... that balances on hand grenade'ing like the Corvete and Mustang Halo models, but it looks good on Magazine covers and beats the six by a few tenths for $35K upcharge, and loses to the Banshee.
 
An article came out a few days ago hinting at the possibility of a Hurricane-6 with around 750hp and now it's becoming more evident that the return of the V8 engine is at hand. While a V8 may fit in a modified version of the new Charger, the question is, will it be worth it? While I don't think it would be, I have a possible theory on what a Dodge lineup could look like and how Stellantis could incorporate the V8 back into the mix.
I can almost guarantee this next V8 is NOT going to be a pushrod V8 along with the fact that it will more than likely be a twin turbo setup with small displacement and a hybrid version of the 880RE 8-Speed Gen-4 ZF transmission. The engine more than likely won't have more that 5.2L putting it between the 5.0L Coyote and the 5.5L GM DOHC engine in the ZR1, which I feel this next V8 car is going to benchmark in some ways. This powertrain is going to incorporate the integrated exhaust manifold in the head and possibly integrating the turbine housing with the head which was a design Stellantis was already working on to begin with, which could possibly save room under the hood or wherever this engine would sit. Now let's say this new "Hurricane-8" 5.2L engine by itself has enough to match the 760hp 5.2L Supercharged V8 of the last GT500, we know the Gen-4 ZF hybrid can produce 215hp so you're looking at a twin turbo V8 hybrid that produces around 975hp in street tune. Add a bit of that Demon-170 tuning magic and you're well over 1,000hp. That's all well and good but it's clear that this Charger was not meant for a V8 and personally I don't feel like a V8 fits the character of this car. Now I'm not saying that I wouldn't love to see the 750hp Hurricane-6 get mated to a Gen-4 Hybrid transmission and get some of that kind of Demon-170 tuning straight from Direct Connection for the Charger, but as for the V8, there are other things that I feel may be coming that would better suit a potential Hurricane-8. One, the return of the Viper, two, the Coronet, three, the return of the Ram 1500 TRX, four, the Return of the Ram 1500 SRT and five, a STLA: Frame Durango SRT8 & Durango Ramcharger build to fill the niche of the full-size performance SUV from Dodge. The Viper needs to return to the Dodge brand as a competitor to the Corvette, and with two trims, the 760hp twin turbo Hurricane-8 S/O Viper R/T and the 975hp/1,000hp+ capable Viper T/A, Dodge once again can reclaim that brutish American Sports car spot that the viper had. While the Coronet would not be the car to compete with the Mustang (because honestly, who cares about the Mustang at this point) The Coronet would actually more take the place of what the Challenger was as that hard performance coupe, but just a bit better. The base engine could be a 550hp Hurricane-6 H/O with the 760hp Hurricane-8 S/O Coronet R/T and the 975hp Hurricane-8 H/O SRT Super Bee at the top of the food chain. This car wouldn't have the Charger's fastback/hatchback setup, instead it would be a hard roof coupe but still big enough to have space in the back for two adults and a decent sized trunk. A 760hp Ram TRX built to trample the Raptor R needs no explanation and a 975hp Ram SRT8 street performance truck really doesn't need an explanation as it would bring back the days of the SRT10 Ram performance truck. A full size Durango with the same Durango attitude in a 900hp SUV again needs no explanation other than it's Dodge and yes, having a 720hp version of it as a bad@$$ off-roader SUV makes sense being that it's a Dodge. Sure there would be lesser versions of it with the Hurricane-6 powertrains Durango Ramcharger Rebel, Durango Ramcharger RHO and Durango Ramcharger TRX, but it makes sense for the Durango to return to it's body on frame roots. Especially if the Dodge lineup includes an STLA: Large Stealth SUV based on the new Wagoneer S with Hurricane-6 powertrains, a Gen-2 Hornet SUV on the STLA Medium platform with a hybrid powertrain based around the 2.0L Hurricane-4 EVO, especially if the engine itself makes anywhere from 305-315hp along with a Dart GLH sedan on the STLA Medium platform with the same kind of powertrain. Somewhere in here the next-gen Dakota midsize truck needs to fit in with the Hurricane-4 EVO and Hurricane-6 powertrains. This to me makes more sense than trying to reinvent this current Charger, which is fine the way it is.
Taking that approach still allows for compliance in the Mopar umbrella without taking away excitement and keeping the V8 relevant. Still leaving room for Jeep to be Jeep with the Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, Wrangler Unlimited and the the Jeep Gladiator with 4Xe and Hurricane-6 S/O powertrains, it let's Ram have it's trucks and Chrysler to move forward into the luxury realm with hybrids and EVs.
 
Last edited:
Reading through the comments it seems our brilliant readers have thought seriously about Dodge. I think the comments are quite accurate and if combined, clearly summaries a path forward mindset for Dodge.
My thoughts support the thinking that the Charger should be in no rush to offer a V-8 but stick with the Hurricanes. Too large and heavy, the Charger is more a luxury performance cruiser, with clever SUV applications, than a muscle car.
A spinoff smaller, lighter, Challenger with far more aggressive styling on the STLA Large platform, built from day one to be a V-8 optioned vehicle would be the most direct path to historic and real Dodge muscle. I think a totally new overhead cam, twin turbo and super charged versions of a new V-8 would do the trick at a reasonable engineering and financial cost. Let’s be real, the entire North American Mopar lineup absolutely needs and would benefit with a new V-8, not just Dodge.
The SUV side of Dodge essentially could mirror Porsche in offering a family of performance SUVs and a mid-size coupe and sedan both Hurricane four based and Six Pack optioned could round out a very generous Dodge lineup, reflecting the performance formula to success that Dodge stands for. Indeed, common sense wisdom on this site from the common folks wins the day again.
 
To me, it's all about what makes sense. Let each brand be what they're supposed to be
Dodge = performance for the masses
Jeep = all terrain vehicles
Ram = Ultimate American Pickup Trucks
Chrysler = American Luxury & Luxury Muscle
 
Because the Mustang and Camaro are flying off shelfs...

a lot of insiders say engine mounts won't work, the front carrier would require a redesign, sort of the opposite issue that the WL has receiving the Hurricane6

Honestly where the room to improve the Eagle? Head retention was already an issue, won't hold up to DI, it is heavy ... without boast it will always be the slow pig compared the the 6.... picking supercharger over Turbos because of exhaust note is classic poser.

There are two option...

Sell the Eagle as is pure Nostalgia and embarrassingly slow compared to everything else even the 4xE 2.0 but make the Boomers happy

Hand built Halo SRT... that balances on hand grenade'ing like the Corvete and Mustang Halo models, but it looks good on Magazine covers and beats the six by a few tenths for $35K upcharge, and loses to the Banshee.
Every post you make amazes me at how utterly dumb you are.

As is typical, you’re wrong on every single point.
 
The article presents us with an amazing question towards the end and that is the question, "What's next for Dodge Performance?" My genuine hope is that the Hurricane-6 becomes for Mopar what the 2JZ-GTE was for Toyota. A genuine, legendary beast. If this engine can reliably see powertrain levels of 420, 550 & 750hp as stock outputs, I see no reason why Direct Connection can't take those numbers higher with Stage kits and bolt on upgrades, or even adding the new Gen-4 880RE hybrid 8-speed to the mix along with Direct Connection calibrations, Demon-170 tuning and things like that. The Same goes for the Hurricane-4 EVO rumored to start with over 300hp and whatever potential Hurricane-8 Twin turbo V8 and or V8 hybrid powertrains that may be coming down the line. Same thing with the Charger Daytona and Daytona Scat Pack Chargers. As I said before If Stellantis were to put the 3-Speed EV gearbox in this car with the E-Rupt system, that car would get no complaints from anyone driving it and I mean NO ONE! I can't wait for Borla to get a hold of one of these Fratzog boxes and upgrades it. This is some of what I see as possibilities for Dodge moving forward. I laid alot of it out above but honestly, we could see some even crazier stuff from Dodge with this new stuff they have coming out along with electric performance. With Carlos gone. there is alot this brand can do next and I think we may be in for alot of pleasant surprises
 
They should likely build a Tuner version with the internals that can hold up to tinkering .,,,,, right now they are matched and optimized to performance level.

DI Hemi-Hurricane is an interesting idea, maybe not Turbocharged as a direct competitor to the Ford... I want everyone to Note... The other NA OEMs are deep into valvetrain recalls and problems on both their V8 engines. We have to acknowledge as much as the idea is loved that there are geometry issues with head retention with this "busy" configuration only exasperated when moving to significantly lighter and weaker materials like Aluminum. That variable displacement is a requirement for efficiency and carrying around what would be at most times parasitic weight, friction, and rotational mass is problematic.

So, your sort of just providing a run of mill Lump as an option for Legacy.

It would provide the basis for SRT to add induction.
 
Last edited:
Chrysler has that legendary beast, it’s the supercharged Hemi. The Hurricane ain’t gonna be it
 
Back
Top