Dodge Mexico Unveils Limited Edition Attitude Green Hornet Model

Jeeper1961 · Monday at 10:29 AM

We need a green Hornet here with an ad campaign that makes the owner feel like a crime fighting superhero. Then these Hornets might start selling.

redriderbob · Monday at 10:39 AM

This is the color on the Attitude (I mean GAC Empow)... on that model its called Matte Fighter Green.

bill burke · Monday at 1:35 PM

Does it bother anyone that it takes the Chinese to build an affordable and attractive “Dodge” ? Does it bother anyone that the Chinese have proven that an inexpensive Dodge branded compact sedan that generates some excitement with a performance flare is truly viable ? Does it bother anyone that the Chinese are forcing Dodge to realize, hopefully, that an economy sedan could have a potential market in North America and they did it in Mexico ? Does it bother anyone that Dodge has missed the boat again, that the Chinese are successfully navigating a “Dodge” boat south of the boarder and that without a Captain with skill in charge of our own domestic boat, Dodge will continue sinking fast on its own lake without a boat to sail to domestic profits ? Could the life raft be a compact sedan built off the Hornet platform ? We can even paint it green.
.Captain my Captain Is it just some “Attitude” that Dodge lacks?

Jeeper1961 · Monday at 3:28 PM

bill burke said:
Does it bother anyone that it takes the Chinese to build an affordable and attractive “Dodge” ? Does it bother anyone that the Chinese have proven that an inexpensive Dodge branded compact sedan that generates some excitement with a performance flare is truly viable ? Does it bother anyone that the Chinese are forcing Dodge to realize, hopefully, that an economy sedan could have a potential market in North America and they did it in Mexico ? Does it bother anyone that Dodge has missed the boat again, that the Chinese are successfully navigating a “Dodge” boat south of the boarder and that without a Captain with skill in charge of our own domestic boat, Dodge will continue sinking fast on its own lake without a boat to sail to domestic profits ? Could the life raft be a compact sedan built off the Hornet platform ? We can even paint it green.
.Captain my Captain Is it just some “Attitude” that Dodge lacks?

Bill,
A lot of American and European companies have lost their mojo. Can they get it back? They certainly can if the right management team is in place. Getting rid of Taveras was a good first move. Let's hope they can right this ship and get back to glory days again soon.

Mike201 · Monday at 4:29 PM

bill burke said:
Does it bother anyone that it takes the Chinese to build an affordable and attractive “Dodge” ? Does it bother anyone that the Chinese have proven that an inexpensive Dodge branded compact sedan that generates some excitement with a performance flare is truly viable ? Does it bother anyone that the Chinese are forcing Dodge to realize, hopefully, that an economy sedan could have a potential market in North America and they did it in Mexico ? Does it bother anyone that Dodge has missed the boat again, that the Chinese are successfully navigating a “Dodge” boat south of the boarder and that without a Captain with skill in charge of our own domestic boat, Dodge will continue sinking fast on its own lake without a boat to sail to domestic profits ? Could the life raft be a compact sedan built off the Hornet platform ? We can even paint it green.
.Captain my Captain Is it just some “Attitude” that Dodge lacks

What bothers me Bill is why can’t “Dodge” take this Chinese car with their name on it and build one just like it in Noth America, put in one of Dodges small engines and sell it here! This looks like a sweet ride despite its Chinese roots. STL makes several of the same vehicles in different countries to fit the needs of safety and import/export issues. Why can’t we do it with this car? I agree it takes Attitude which Dodge lacks.

bill burke · 2025-01-07T06:10:15-0800

Mike201 said:
What bothers me Bill is why can’t “Dodge” take this Chinese car with their name on it and build one just like it in Noth America, put in one of Dodges small engines and sell it here! This looks like a sweet ride despite its Chinese roots. STL makes several of the same vehicles in different countries to fit the needs of safety and import/export issues. Why can’t we do it with this car? I agree it takes Attitude which Dodge lacks.

It has been nearly impossible for American car companies to build affordable, high quality compact vehicles for one reason, labor costs that destroy competitive pricing and profitability. I would not like building something that depends on Chinese sourcing or resources, so that option is off the table.
So here is my thinking. In an effort to establish a domestically built compact car market in the states the “Big Three” must negotiate with the U.S. Government and the UAW a new class of manufacturing in an “Apprentice Zone” combining a lower wage contract for entry level workers developing skills needed for regular jobs and government subsidies in a program that develops a career path for young people in enterprise areas, an existing program. I know that in Europe students are employed in trade sites while enrolled in school and experienced worker are employed in schools to recruit and train students.
I know there are contract equity issues, geographic location restrictions for these plants, but it’s an idea. Without some innovative thinking and contract flexibility on wages, it may never happen. A whole class of vehicles are being ceded to nations that build their economies on oppressed labor.
The issue we are discussing is not only economic but political. I believe it will take both to do this in the USA.

Mike201 · 2025-01-07T06:45:56-0800

bill burke said:
It has been nearly impossible for American car companies to build affordable, high quality compact vehicles for one reason, labor costs that destroy competitive pricing and profitability. I would not like building something that depends on Chinese sourcing or resources, so that option is off the table.
So here is my thinking. In an effort to establish a domestically built compact car market in the states the “Big Three” must negotiate with the U.S. Government and the UAW a new class of manufacturing in an “Apprentice Zone” combining a lower wage contract for entry level workers developing skills needed for regular jobs and government subsidies in a program that develops a career path for young people in enterprise areas, an existing program. I know that in Europe students are employed in trade sites while enrolled in school and experienced worker are employed in schools to recruit and train students.
I know there are contract equity issues, geographic location restrictions for these plants, but it’s an idea. Without some innovative thinking and contract flexibility on wages, it may never happen. A whole class of vehicles are being ceded to nations that build their economies on oppressed labor.
The issue we are discussing is not only economic but political. I believe it will take both to do this in the USA.

On the money end, sounds god, but…
With that approach an apprentice zone with lower wage workers, entry level skills and developing skill, how would that affect workman ship quality of these cars? People bitch and moan about quality now with high wage so-called experienced workers.
The cars better be very affordable to make up for quality issues. This makes me nervous. I see the quality issues now I am going through with my Durango. I don’t see this plan any better. For the companies yes, for money they can save, but not sure on anything else.
Maybe as Americans, we have priced our selves out of car manufacturing business itself, like appliances and cell phones. Pretty sad state we have become.

Jeeper1961 · 2025-01-07T08:19:28-0800

bill burke said:
It has been nearly impossible for American car companies to build affordable, high quality compact vehicles for one reason, labor costs that destroy competitive pricing and profitability. I would not like building something that depends on Chinese sourcing or resources, so that option is off the table.
So here is my thinking. In an effort to establish a domestically built compact car market in the states the “Big Three” must negotiate with the U.S. Government and the UAW a new class of manufacturing in an “Apprentice Zone” combining a lower wage contract for entry level workers developing skills needed for regular jobs and government subsidies in a program that develops a career path for young people in enterprise areas, an existing program. I know that in Europe students are employed in trade sites while enrolled in school and experienced worker are employed in schools to recruit and train students.
I know there are contract equity issues, geographic location restrictions for these plants, but it’s an idea. Without some innovative thinking and contract flexibility on wages, it may never happen. A whole class of vehicles are being ceded to nations that build their economies on oppressed labor.
The issue we are discussing is not only economic but political. I believe it will take both to do this in the USA.

Bill.
I like your thinking on this. Stellantis needs to think outside the box and something like this just may work. I do think robotics can reduce the number of employees that it takes to make these vehicles but I'm sure the UAW would not like that idea. Nor is moving production to Mexico or a non-union state going to work either. And a lot of our competition utilizes labor in non-union states. They have an unfair advantage already. And I certainly detest the idea of rebadging cars made in China. I don't care if they are good or not.
I can't see why the UAW would oppose apprentices working the assembly lines and other parts of the car making process for a smaller car and truck line. They could have older, near retirement workers overseeing the work and helping out. It assures long term UAW employment and trains the future workforce they will need. It also helps employ more people that don't have a chance to go to college. It gives them a possible career and chance at a better life. This is a win-win scenario.
Mark

bill burke · 2025-01-07T08:45:10-0800

Mike201 said:
On the money end, sounds god, but…
With that approach an apprentice zone with lower wage workers, entry level skills and developing skill, how would that affect workman ship quality of these cars? People bitch and moan about quality now with high wage so-called experienced workers.
The cars better be very affordable to make up for quality issues. This makes me nervous. I see the quality issues now I am going through with my Durango. I don’t see this plan any better. For the companies yes, for money they can save, but not sure on anything else.
Maybe as Americans, we have priced our selves out of car manufacturing business itself, like appliances and cell phones. Pretty sad state we have become.

Indeed you raise legitimate issues, but resolvable. These apprenticeships would be overseen, coached hands on and classroom taught by highly experienced workers, at an enhanced wage subsidized as a renewable federal employment training initiative grant. The assembly pace would be slower, final checks on built product more stringent. In public schools we have student teachers, non-tenured workers and few serious issues. Let’s face it, most of the manufacturing is done by robots anyway. I know from experience that novice workers are highly motivated by the shot at a high paying career, often work harder, are very teachable and often do a comparable competent job. These apprenticeships also improve job recruitment outcomes for manufacturers and possible tax advantages too. I did legal advisory work tasked with worker burn out solutions where incompetent workmanship or worse could be demonstrated by those who had decades on the job and where it took legal pressures to fulfill performance obligations. Years on the job is no guarantee of quality work. Rest assured, there are solutions to your concerns. As I stated initially, all it takes is flexibility, commitment and a little “Attitude”.

patfromigh · 2025-01-07T19:50:53-0800

They only Japanese auto company that isn't doing well is Nissan. Toyota, Honda, Mazda, and Subaru are doing very well with their small sedans and crossovers. Many of their best selling vehicles are built in North America, and with a high American built parts content.

Consumers are demanding inexpensive hybrids and the Japanese automakers are delivering the goods to them. Nissan was an early adapter to battery electric power, but couldn't keep up with the advancing technology and then they failed to market hybrid power train options. That's why Nissan is virtually bankrupt. The Nissan Versa is among the lowest price sedans on the market, yet it didn't help Nisan's cause. People are paying a little more for a Civic or Corolla hybrid model.

vbondjr1 · 2025-01-08T11:20:32-0800

simply put, bring back the Dart on the STLA Medium platform, move the Hornet to the STLA medium platform, give them both the 2.0L Hurricane upgraded to 305hp/300lb-ft of torque, put a 148hp EDM on the back, make the Dart a Hatchback like the Charger, give it a hornet-like design language, make it about the side of an Acura TLX and call it a day.

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