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That's what I was saying. Some sort of Apple effect. Big only in selected markets with the most important being US. Tesla may even lose US.

Here is the thing and some of it are my guesses. French came in and didn't like Tonale's production costs and engine list. Too much options, engines on the list and they had too much CO2 for their taste. As the consequence engine list has been slashed. More powerful verions of the upcoming 1.5...

Some not so good CGI, infotainment looks bigger than it actually is. For the interior. IMO they didn't improve materials by much if any. It was all about styling so that perceived interior quality would be better. For years I've been saying that interior design of FCA US cars makes people think...

No. I don't know from where you got it.

They way how is executed screams Alfa. If I need to make a guess I would say that Faurecia is supplier.

Disagree. Actually we don't need to disagree. It's not something subjective if you at the materials used for it. Grand Cherokee was clearly inspired by Alfa's interior when it comes to materials used for it. Real wood inserts, leather wrapped dashboard. Ah, and Lusso Alfas have Full Grain...

MY23 Dodge Hornet PHEV Made in Italy and on sale in North America. More coming as MY24.

I must put screenshot here. It's funny.

AFAIK no. And this technology is not something which doesn't exists but it's not often and Stellantis, actually this is ex FCA project, may be unique in some way.

I would like to post screenshot from the other site. It's crazy. We are living in a parallel universe in comparison to them. :D

They've mentioned something with huge battery but I'm not sure that it's technically BEV. Actually I would put my hand in a fire and say that STLA Frame on the presentation had big battery and place to put internal combustion engine. And they called it REPB, something like that, Range Electric...

Interior on Summit is inspired by Giulia&Stelvio Lusso. @TripleT has Stelvio Lusso. He can talk about it.

I'm unaware of BEV Wagoneer.

Yes, L'argus is saying so and they are usually very dependent when it comes to PSA news.

@pumadog Pug 308?

Dodge Hornet and Jeep Junior

They are biased. I'll refrain from more serious accusations.

PSA.. ehm Stellantis is differently calculating margin than FCA.

This is in contrast to Europe. Maybe it depends on what you consider as a public transport. And it may be very different from country to country, and even from city to city. Usually public transport like city buses, tramways and similar city transport, sucks if it's privately owned.

Yeah, that's it. STLA Medium is just small for big minivan.