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Dodge, Jeep, Ram and Chrysler would need to sell both EV and ICE, if they want to succeed on the long term. We have seen the governments pushing hard on EV just to back track when they realized the technology, infrastructure and people are not ready. ICE technology is much matured and it keep...

That platform and ICE engines choices are totally inferior to SCCS/SWUS platform and GSE engine family. One is made with cost reduction in mind, while the other is to excel. Guess which one Stellantis is widely adopting?

I agree with you, especially that there was the rumored 7.0l HEMI. But, I’m keeping my faith in the Hurricane. But I won’t purchase one yet until another couple of years. By that time, we might either see a more powerful version than a 550hp and how the aftermarket is supporting this platform...

Wasn’t this new platform Charger supposed to come out in 2020, then kept being delayed for various reasons?

We have waited since 2020 to get the updated Charger, what another model year or two of waiting is going to harm? If your mind is set on the gas powered Charger, then it is a good idea to wait for Dodge to iron the issues that usually plague them in the first 2 years of production.

True, but was funded under Diamler, which come to think about had better platforms and technology to share than the poor PSA

He’s contradicting himself. We see brands trying or planning to fully transition to EV only. Fiat, Maserati, Alfa, Chrysler even some models like Wrangler.

@TripleT Do you see Dodge dropping HEMI in the new Charger in 2025? It appears they have overstocked 5.7 and Hellcat.

And you forgot that the Germans were the Nazis

And your point is?? Gen-3 HEMI was brought back by the Germans.

An update HEMI, which was the rumor, would meet the current 1-2mpg improvement shown by the Hurricanes. But the Hurricanes would still be better in emissions, which is the point people keep ignoring and the Gov is going after. Also the power and torque curves on Turbocharged engines are usually...

I’d also choose Tonale over Hornet, if I was shopping, and the one engine that would make interested is a PHEV 2.0l

But did Stellantis make it to a double digit last fiscal year??

Or have a good bodyshop to punch it in.

Voting or not is not a sustainable solution. The industry can’t radically change their plan every 4 years.

CARB states do not ban ICE, at least not yet and not an outright ban. Let’s see a hypothetical poll of those ICE buyers, who would opt for Hurricane SO or HO and who would opt for the hypothetical 426HEMI and he would pay for the penalties on each vehicle for Stellantis.

It’s going to be an expensive horsepower game.

Only 660hp on stock internals?

I still don’t get the idea of having a Wagoner S that is a BEV and also have a BEV Cherokee, when they are virtually identical.

If the part of the money went to the Charger, Challenger and Durango marketing and advertisement, goes to the Hornet the average consumer could be aware of the advantages of the Hornet and we could see more of it on the streets. The way I see it, the NA management doesn’t invest much marketing...