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I'm not sure I like the white trim -- or is that supposed to be chrome? It looks weird. The article really tries to sell you "it's got value" when they're the most expensive Wagoneers yet - on base-price. Granted neither of them have very many options.

Doesn't change anything in my eyes - it wouldn't look good on something as the Wagoneers. If I have the spare time in the coming days, maybe I'll throw something together to let you see what I see in my head with this.

The Durango Citadel isn't as wide or square as a Wagoneer. It also doesn't have that big of a grille. Compared to the Wagoneer. There's a LOT more real-estate here to utilze without making it look taller than it already does. The Wagoneers are nearly flat-nosed, the Durango has curves. As...

Anyway -- working on a particular Renegade. Lower, wider, added some LX Charger parts.. and LATAM Renegade bits. Not even close to done yet, just working everything together still.

I think the 300 grille would look horrible on something this large, to be honest. The Wagoneers are huge and far too square to make that look good. Just thinking about it, visualizing it, makes my brain go 'nope'. lol -- It worked well on the 300 because it was low and wide. These are not that.

The customers aren't all enthusiasts. Most of them aren't. Most of the Jeep drivers don't go off-road. Most Jeep drivers get them in snow-driving states and because they like the look. It has nothing to do with enthusiasts. Same with Dodge. They went to the showroom to check out the Hellcats and...

I like what I came up with; it's a simple refresh, and it still brings the retro cues that people wanted. That said - It could've been a Chrysler. Obviously I never finished this one, but the idea is there. It 100% could've been a Chrysler Aspen and sold. And I don't see anything wrong with...

That doesn't surprise me, to be honest. Hornet - never sold well - I've only seen 2 in the wild, myself, anecdotally. Charger - isn't selling horribly but not nearly as well as it needs to bc it's out of the price range of people who want something like that and those that can buy one...

Option 3 is restating my option 1 - Consistent management where the investors bank accounts aren't the number one priority. That said, it's not bad, but I don't think Chrysler has only those two options "rival Cadillac/Lincoln or die." At least that's how it reads in the way you wrote it. It...

Well that's gonna happen when they've been changing so little about it they still use the press photos from 2017.

The hurricane was designed in Michigan, I'm pretty sure. It's been in development since 2013. You go to literally ANY car forum or group looking for problems people have and you're gonna find boat loads of anecdotes from people who can't figure out how to work their headlights to people who...

I can see that; but they also don't need to hemorrhage money on the project. It's a little more complicated than banging the hammer against a fender to make it fit by a few millimeters. It needs to be run through the same battery of tests that every car goes through just to federalize it just...

What you also had when sales were through the roof were low prices and far more choices across the Dodge lineup. More Importantly it was before COVID. That was basically a lifetime ago at this point. Time to come to terms with times changing. The inline six turbo is a vastly superior engine to...

SRT -- I think they're going to tap the name. I hope they aren't just going to make them ghosts of what SRT was. It started with the Neon. Dodge needs to get back to its basic, mainstream vehicles. Yes, that means not everything is gonna have a Hemi, but most if not everything will have a...

So what you're saying -- is they have two choices. 🞜Get some consistency in management across the board. Management that realizes pleasing the bank accounts of investors isn't going to last very long if they don't fix the actual problems with how the company is being treated in the US. 🞜 Or Let...

I didn't realize there was a forum lol

A few Renderings - Dodge, Jeep, a Chrysler or two. <- You can find a few of my renderings here. Allparians have probably seen most of them already.

And the last one -- A recon headlight & grille flip. I have disliked the Recon's front signature look since the first time I saw it. It was too Chinese-Cherokee looking for me. Like a knock-off. I thought it was just the grille being shorter than the headlights, but that alone just made it look...

Back to the Compass, this time, making it a Dodge. And to make it a little more Dodge. Cleaned up the sides and corners, took cues from a concept almost nobody's seen to give the headlights some personality, and then lowered it a little.

Speaking of Wagoneer S -- or it's very close brother, Cherokee. I swapped in the Wagoneer S Trailhawk's lower valance since they are very closely related vehicles; simple change, makes a lot of difference, IMO. Makes it less busy up front, anyway.