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Everything was in expansion mode under Sergio, no matter what sort of delusion / BS Erik and Dave at Allpar try to spin. Compare that to this idiot in Paris we have now -...

Giving up that V6 and V8 segment because of the EPA - I'm sure that will work for STLA. Yep, go for it guys. Electrifying more of powertrain so those engines can continue? Nah. Let's go with small displacement engines and EVs and styling where you can't even discern the damn thing is a Jeep or a...

GM within $5 billion of STLA market capitalization. $50 to $55 Billion. Where are the Europeans of this forum at?

Big words before recording a single sale.

"Seeing the reviews of the Hurricane by RacerX, Saabkyle and Ben Hardy I think we'll be very happy with the Sixpack cars performance wise if they are reliable." Inflencer psy-op nonsense. No one is going to buy this trash

GM will pass STLA in market cap by the end of this year. Wasn't too long ago that GM's market cap was in the 40s. STLA was in the 70s. Now STLA is 62B and GM is 56B. Read it and weep, losers.

GM is stealing STLA market share and profits.

There's a difference between that and what they're doing with the EV Charger

That is a planted / staged leak by the way. And yes, the car does have a speaker that puts out rev sounds. If you have to fake something in a consumer product, it's not going to be well received. Ask any industrial designer.

The Recon and Wagoneer S and guaranteed flops. There's no business case for a $70K D-segment SUV. Styling the on the Recon is ugly. Now if you did an Grand Cherokee L E-segment series hybrid SUV - now we're talking. I have heard whispers that Ford is going series hybrid with the next Explorer...

The only people that are missing are the people defending the current leadership and decisions / product that have been made since about 2021. It's been an absolute disaster. The Tonale / Hornet have been a failure. Mandating an I6 instead of the 6.4L in the Wagoneer has been a failure. Not...

10,000 units per year and the combined Opportunity Cost of occupying plant capacity with this and the Recon, with total program costs shared between the two are at least over $2 billion. You're damn right 10K vehicles a year is a flop. Maybe the largest and most profitable automaker in the...

GM will pass them in market cap in the next couple months.

Let them eat Hornets.

Btw - series hybrids are a go for the 2027/2028 F-150 and GM twins.

They’re going to be three years late with the 3L PHEV. I am hearing late calendar 2026 for the 2027 Durango replacement. Followed by the 2028 Grand Cherokee replacement. Tavares cries about suppliers - good, go make an eight speed transmission to replace ZF. This transmission, something to...

The Hornet is happy to be able to finally lose the ignominious label of worst selling STLA vehicle.

Overpriced junk

@bill burke - 100% agree The WL front end is an improvement over WK2. The rear is a big step back. These little feminine slits for lights in the back, are of course, presumably cheaper than the WK2 lights. Sometimes I feel the whole industry has collectively lost its mind after 2019. The only...

2L engine in a $65K vehicle. They're out of their god damn minds. I don't care how many HP it has or what the Explorer has. I will never buy a new Jeep again. The formula isn't hard guys - high displacement engines (3.6L, minimum) + mild hybrid. Build the CAFE overages / fines into the price of...