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Answer for Ram 1500 Ramcharger - May or June, maybe. TBD for Wagoneer hybrid.

Ford plans extended-range powertrains for large SUVs, pickups Ford is copying what Stellantis is pursuing with the Ram 1500 Ramcharger and Wagoneer 4xE series hybrid. Who will be the first to offer a series hybrid in a unibody SUV via the Explorer or Grand Cherokee?

Bet anyone here a dollar this thing will absolutely flop. It will be worse than what KL sold, any year, after its 2013 launch.

It’s got a 1.6L mild hybrid. They’re insane if they think people will pay the Jeep tax (15-20% above what it should be priced at / generally awful dealership experience / hit or miss quality) for a 1.6L four banger.

You're missing the forest for the trees - the 5.7L tooling is paid for, the design works, and no Durango buyer cares about it dropping 300 lbs. Clean sheet Durango redesign would cost $600-700 million to base off STLA Large. If you can just mint profit from the existing tooling during a Trump...

It’s sad how a once heralded US ICE powertrain group was driven into the ground. Nobody is cross shopping a four banger Toyota or Honda with a 3.6L V6 Grand Cherokee, Gladiator, or Wrangler. And yet the Grand Cherokee will lose its 3.6L V6 next year. Fortunately, I think the Wrangler and...

And yet the 1.6L Dart and 2L Wrangler and Cherokee were sales flops.

Dodge/Jeep/Ram buyers are not the group to skimp on powertrain with. They want more displacement and cylinders, not less.

You know who else runs on ancient platforms and makes incremental upgrades? Toyota.

2026 Jeep Cherokee spied for first time DOA vehicle. This is the one vehicle where putting in the 2L GME T-4 makes sense. The GSE T-4 is too underpowered for US Jeep. Go let the Europeans buy 1.3L vehicles.

Agreed. Just run the tooling on this until the end of Trump's term, and then go with a series hybrid in STLA Large.

Remember when they tried the 2L GME-T4 in the Cherokee? Total flop. The 2L GME-T4 in the Wrangler was a total flop. Stop trying to make GME-T4 happen, NOBODY paying $50K for a Grand Cherokee, Wrangler, or Gladiator wants this engine.

Any chance the 2026 Grand Cherokee continues with the Penstastar? https://moparinsiders.com/caught-2026-jeep-grand-cherokee-l-limited-4x4/ "Rumors are circulating that the 2025 Grand Cherokee could receive an enhanced version of this engine, possibly branded the “Hurricane4 EVO,” with power...

My guess is that you have to use a four cylinder as your generator power source in anything REEV that isn't a body on frame. Body on frame can fit the V6, unibody can't. Unibody would need a four cylinder for the power source. The three cylinder...might work for a series hybrid unibody vehicle...

Its weird though they're referencing a April 2025 Job 1 date for the Ramcharger and we're not seeing any test vehicles in Metro Detroit yet...typically we start seeing them 6 months before initial builds.

Not with this lineup of powertrains. AWD + I6 on the Charger/Challenger doesn't do it for me. 2026 Grand Cherokee going from a 3.6L V6 to some boosted GME-T4 variant? No thanks. Series hybrid or a PHEV V8 is the only thing I'm interested in. Unfortunately, neither are in the cards until closer...

Exactly!

The 4xE that exists today in the Wrangler, Grand Cherokee, and Pacifica...very different than what a series hybrid would consist of. You'd get a series hybrid by - removing the transmission, adding a generator, adding motors, adding a larger battery. You'd have to shrink the gas tank a bit.

Is there a series hybrid in the cards, similar to that of the Ram 1500 Ramcharger, for STLA Large? As a reminder - STLA Frame - Ram 1500 and Wagoneer. Big vehicles, obviously, with enough room for both a battery and gas tank. STLA - Unibody. Grand Cherokee, new Dodge Charger/Challenger...