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Is the Hornet selling well anyway? Carsalesbase put everything behind a paywall so now I can't follow sales data there.

This is an amazing surprise. And the best of both worlds. Serial hybrid with a still quite big battery? Awesome. Hopefully it can get the $7500 rebate. Very well done Stellantis.

So you hate unions, because they manage to get decent salaries to workers because you live under $18 an hour? Maybe you should, I don't know, unionize to get the same perks instead of being a boot licker? That has only gotten you $18 an hour salary after all.

I assume you are with UAW. I hope you guys win every concession you want. It's obscene to see quarter after quarter of record profits and the workers getting squeezed with the increasing cost of life.

Guess I'll go back to using my smartphone on my dashboard then.

The problem is not the powertrains but the transmission.

Mmmm a lot of stuff there that I am not super-happy about. First, this platform was developed with two battery packs in mind: one of 87kWh and one with 98kWh, both with NMC chemistry. It was developed with a 60kWh pack in mind as well, but then this pack was discarded (no reasons given). No LFP...

Everything in Europe now is done with a PSA bias. Same in LATAM. The new Fiat compact pick-up is a rebadge of a Peugeot pick-up that doesn't sell well in Brazil. This will all be moot in 5 years anyway in Europe since EVs will be majority of the market anyway.

I think in the US this is very important because the fast charging networks outside of Tesla aren't well developed as opposed to Europe.

I don't think that the current purpose of Fiat is to continue in the US. For example, the new 600e doesn't comply with US regulations so it can't be exported to the US. If Fiat is just a one model brand in the future with the 500e, then it is destined to disappear eventually.

Is it? With the new EVs coming for Mopar brands I think that type of niche stops making sense for Fiat. With the hatred for the brand from Mopar fans, and the indifference of the rest of the market they should just cut their losses and end the brand in the US. The resources they waste in...

That's a matter for insurance companies to worry about. If that spurs more domestic production and less imports from China, all the better to be honest. Fiat in the US has residual sales, so if it leads to the death of the brand in NAFTA, from what I've seen in these forums or the older ones...

Benchmarking against Tesla and Hyundai/KIA is good, since they do make the best EVs. But Tesla does have pricing at middle class levels for the main countries in Western Europe.

Two regions being bigger than one is nothing to be surprised at. I am curious to the lack of questions about how they think the high interest rates will impact vehicles with high ATPs in the US.

But I thought you loved to be ripped off just to come to this forum to bash the europeans because our region has lower profit margins! 😃

At least until the B-SUV is launched then you will see another big increase.

The 500e should have a reasonable price in the US. But for that it'll need to be included in the $7500 tax incentive. Otherwise, it won't be relevant.

It wouldn't have cost them to put a slide in the presentation with that information.

Would've loved a more detailed roadmap of the EVs coming to Europe on the new platforms.

Impressive increase in Maserati sales! Would've loved more info about new EVs for Europe. The US models look awesome, but more info about the EU ones on STLA platforms would be welcome...