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DetroitNews.com - Stellantis pulls back on EVs / Hybrids - no dealer can order a MY26 EV or PHEV

The right decision. I for one an’t never letting my car drive itself. This “one up on the competition” thinking on tech nonessential gimmicks is a huge waste of vital money. My lane adjustment feature in my Cherokee is a mild annoyance with little value other than letting me know I’m a pretty lousy driver. Ditto on that women living inside my dash telling me the speed limit every two minutes and to put my hands on the wheel. So what if I speed a little while driving with my feet. Seriously, all that research and development for that gimmick. Wastefull and silly.
Don’t get me wrong, the little reminders make some sense, but self driving, we can wait for that one, and very seriously for me, forever.
Smart decision as the track record on this risky feature is dismal at best and quite dangerous actually. Apply the money to improve build quality in things like reliable software for engine and transmission management and not invisible passengers.
As to EVs, we told you so. Utter nonsense, all of it.
 
More supposition from you.
You say that "no dealer can order" in the title - the DEFINITION of clickbait - and like the talking heads of Fox News, you're spouting opinion as if it's fact. It's your opinion - and apparently your hope - that EVs and Plug-in Hybrids will go the way of the dinosaur just because you don't like them. They offend you in some deep way, I guess.

To answer your question - no, I'm not gonna say "you were right" because you're - as usual - being an *ss about it. Like the unwanted uncle at the family gathering that thinks they're always right about everything even when proven wrong.

Cutting back with a shifting market, and realizing that they used the wrong brands for the EV introductions in the US isn't exactly something that people disagree on. Cutting back is not the same thing as discontinuing. It would be stupid to continue when the market is shifting and pikachu-shock-face everyone else is cutting back and going with standard hybrids. Supply and Demand is the number one rule in business. They would be stupid to ignore that there's less demand for an EV Charger at $70k than there is for a Hemi Dakota that may never even make it to the US. lol

Your ego is making you look like a jack*ss.
 
suzq044 said:
More supposition from you.
You say that "no dealer can order" in the title - the DEFINITION of clickbait - and like the talking heads of Fox News, you're spouting opinion as if it's fact. It's your opinion - and apparently your hope - that EVs and Plug-in Hybrids will go the way of the dinosaur just because you don't like them. They offend you in some deep way, I guess.

To answer your question - no, I'm not gonna say "you were right" because you're - as usual - being an *ss about it. Like the unwanted uncle at the family gathering that thinks they're always right about everything even when proven wrong.

Cutting back with a shifting market, and realizing that they used the wrong brands for the EV introductions in the US isn't exactly something that people disagree on. Cutting back is not the same thing as discontinuing. It would be stupid to continue when the market is shifting and pikachu-shock-face everyone else is cutting back and going with standard hybrids. Supply and Demand is the number one rule in business. They would be stupid to ignore that there's less demand for an EV Charger at $70k than there is for a Hemi Dakota that may never even make it to the US. lol

Your ego is making you look like a jack*ss.
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Go to a dealer and try to order a 2026 STLA EV. Let us know how that works out
 
cygnus said:
Go to a dealer and try to order a 2026 STLA EV. Let us know how that works out
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Is there a source that confirms this impacts PHEVs too as you originally said, or is that just speculation?
 
Ryan said:
Is there a source that confirms this impacts PHEVs too as you originally said, or is that just speculation?
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Did you read the article? It says both EVs and PHEVs
 
suzq044 said:
More supposition from you.
You say that "no dealer can order" in the title - the DEFINITION of clickbait - and like the talking heads of Fox News, you're spouting opinion as if it's fact.
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Let’s be very clear: that’s ANY mainstream media, be it CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, etc
 
Someone needs to put down the joint.
I read the article, and it's not like Stellantis is just up and exiting the market.

With the upcoming end of electric car rebates, Stellantis, like other companies are pulling way back on electric vehicles. SUSPENDING production of SOME vehicles the way they do any slow selling vehicle. Because they expect demand to drop.

This isnt some revelation. And I dont so them killing off all electric investments. Reduce, sure.

Carlos was an idiot, not because he pushed for electric cars but because he tried to put all his eggs in one basket. That's a bad strategy. They should have continued to invest in a broader gas portfolio, and id say been less aggressive with their electric portfolio. I will say that not starting with a gas charger was plane dumb.

The electric car policies could be flipped right back in a few years. I am not saying they should be, but that is an eventuality they should plan for. The comment i will make is I'd rather see the government focus their dollars on electrical infrastructure. The logistics of owning an electric car leave a lot to be desired. If those were improved, that market could grow more organically.

The same way many of us may get irked by people demanding the end of gas cars now, we should not declare electric cars inherently bad. They are a great option for some people. Just as there are countless areas where they remain very impractical. It's 'muruca, freedom of choice cuts both ways.
 
It’s binary - they’re either selling EVs and PHEVs, or they’re not.

They’re not.
 
cygnus said:
It’s binary - they’re either selling EVs and PHEVs, or they’re not.

They’re not.
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Battery electric vehicles are still available for sale at the dealerships. The Jeep Recon and the Ramcharger REEV are still on the way. The Wagoneer S and Dodge Charger are overpriced for what they are and that doesn't help the situation.

For everyone else, The whole EV mandates and GHG emissions bull is going away and won't be coming back, period. It was done away with not just with a presidential order, but also by an act of Congress. There was a public comments period and many real scientists have weighed in. They are tired of the fake science talking heads with their phony qualifications and data, so now the real scientists are setting the record straight.

The emissions laws and CAFE standards are still here with us, as is the EPA. The difference now with the EPA is that the real scientists will now have their say. The CAFE standards will wind their way through the courts, who will unpack and sort out everything. Reliable sources have indicated that the EV mandates won't survive any legal challenge, because they are the result of false data and an improper Presidential executive order. After the Chevron decision, everything will be reset to before all the GHG climate change hysteria.

EVs have established a beachhead and are not going away. When the current crop of battery electrics running around on give away lease deals is turned in, they will show up on used car lots with drastically reduced prices. While the sales may have stalled, the supporting infrastructure is rapidly growing and expanding due to private investments. The courts didn't allow the current President to cancel the previous President's socialist charging station scheme, but said he can remove the bureaucratic restrictions that made that project a deep money pit. When cheap used EVs meet a robust charging infrastructure in a few years electric vehicles will rebound. Internal combustion won't be going away, but neither will battery electric.
 
If EVs come back, I wouldn't be surprised if full EV is skipped, and EREV is the go to market option that is selected for STLA Frame and STLA Large.
 
cygnus said:
If EVs come back, I wouldn't be surprised if full EV is skipped, and EREV is the go to market option that is selected for STLA Frame and STLA Large.
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That's why the Ramcharger and Wagoneer EREV are still on the front burner. IC engine range extenders could save the battery electric Dodge Charger and Wagoneer S models. Are the people in Auburn Hills too myopic to notice that?
 
You're talking about apples and oranges - EREV is enabled on STLA Frame. It's not enabled yet on STLA Large. Yes, I agree they should make an investment in STLA Large to make it EREV capable by 2028.
 
cygnus said:
You're talking about apples and oranges - EREV is enabled on STLA Frame. It's not enabled yet on STLA Large. Yes, I agree they should make an investment in STLA Large to make it EREV capable by 2028.
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Suppliers that Stellantis currently uses have EREV systems available and those systems will fit all the way down to STLA Medium sized vehicles. In the smaller vehicles the front drive e-motor is replaced by a multi-clutch transaxle which allows modes for full electric battery only, battery charging, or ICE direct drive highway cruising. This is similar to what the Chevy Volt offered, but the Volt didn't have a rear e-axle, and the newer systems have much more e-power.
 
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