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REPORT: 5.7-liter HEMI® V8 Production To Move To The U.S.

REPORT: 5.7-liter HEMI® V8 Production To Move To The U.S.​

Dundee Engine Plant Could Soon Start Building The 5.7-liter HEMI V8​

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Since the departure of former Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares, the Stellantis organization has undergone rapid changes. Pricing strategies are being reevaluated, electrification plans are being reconsidered, and in a surprising twist the 5.7-liter (345 cubic-inch) HEMI® V8 has been granted an extended lease on life in the Dodge Durango, according to our sources.

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REPORT: 5.7-liter HEMI® V8 Production To Move To The U.S.

—with plans to revive the 5.7L HEMI V8 at Michigan’s Dundee Engine Plant, hinting at its return in the Ram 1500 and continuation in the Dodge
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Doesn't meet NHSTA or EPA standards, think the Eagle is on the low end.
 
TripleT said:
Never heard a word you said but i can read and are well into 25’ and v8 models are still on the lots

So blaming slows sales on lack of V8 directly or not it is a false correlation from anyone

Maybe just maybe, high interest rates and product level mix, lack of models diversity, transitional capacity…… ????

Maybe …… Does the RAV4 have a V8? Does the Camry have a V8?

Why am I asking this? Does STLA have a competitor to either at the moment?

No Charger and No Cherokee…. I wasn’t going to wait
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Is there anyone or anything that you won't argue with? Get a life man. We are supposed to be having fun and being enthusiastic about our favorite automaker. You are still putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. Please argue or find fault with someone else. I can see that hasn't been a problem for you on here. I stand by what I said.
 
Jeeper1961 said:
Is there anyone or anything that you won't argue with? Get a life man. We are supposed to be having fun and being enthusiastic about our favorite automaker. You are still putting words in my mouth that I didn't say. Please argue or find fault with someone else. I can see that hasn't been a problem for you on here. I stand by what I said.
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So, your idea is of a discussion is to just nod in agreement with each other?

Yes, I do come here to have substantive debates on the subject at hand with knowledgeable other people, there is IM option if you would like to address me directly instead of using a thread for that.

The original reply was Not Directly at you, but to all those finding a correlation between the future lack of a very old powertrain in the future to the recent past and near future sales issue. If that is not what you intended then move along why go full Francis, Quoting you directly later is not putting words in your mouth, which unless you typing with your tongue is impossible, but I guess you missed that

I NEVER made is personal..... Defining the errors made, like and entire year off of producing a popular model, ending with no immediate replacement in same class as 2 other top selling vehicle.... just maybe ... MAYBE has more do with the recent sales. Producing toward the top of the market at the same time interest rate jumped making the cost of ownership higher, Maybe just Maybe has more to do with it, than whether or not a non-compliant under powered but much loved older powerplant. Lack of total capacity and model diversity especially in the lower end of the market??? Maybe? ... these are not even debatable these are mistakes that are openly being managed by the current management group and why Pepe is history.

If that is discussion you do not want to have move along. I am generally more positive to the point of even being accused of being a Cheerleader... SO fun and enthusiasm is my middle name and using the company as pinata general I find boring, but some people think that is fun.

Substantive discussion and debate ... called arguing is reductive.

Blaming the lack of V8 in 1500 just now, and in model that hasn't been built in over a year. Is reductive. If that not what you meant, other people have.
 
Mopar392 said:
If the lack of V8 wasn’t affecting the sales, there would not be these hints of a V8 returning.
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Valid point... I believe that current management wanted the transition to be natural not forced. And is concerned bad marketing around it.

Fact is past sales cannot be affected by lack of V8, because they didn't lack a V8. They lacked Chargers.... especially not V8 chargers.

You been here awhile no I not against the V8, just wonder how it fits given how good the I6 is and confirmed by the recent reviews.

I loved my 392 may it rest in peace or whatever car in got transplanted into.

A natural market driven transition would have been better, where total cost including regulatory fee passed to consumer.

It certainly is reputational for Dodge... but reality is most people like 98% never even move the plastic cover to count the cylinder. If anything the success of the new Camry show the engine doesn't even need to be attached to the drivetrain, If you can fuel in it and it goes, and goes fast, reliably that matters most.

Not have the Charger at volume is big issue, any Charger. Not having a Cherokee/Rav4 sized CUV for over a year is a big problem. Making only expensive JGC, Wrangler, RAMs, and Gladiators are big problem, not have any Affordable vehicles even if it only to drive traffic... is big problem.

Doesn't mean there is market challenges around not having V8... of course but you have to plug the biggest holes first. And YA can't even market how cool the new Charger will be with its new Turbo Charged beast with old ones still on lots, and new one 5 months out.
 
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Year and half from now .... You and I (@Mopar392) at our Local Club meet up... I am in my new Scat Pack HO, with whatever Mopar stage pack comes along, and you roll up in you musically sounding Eagle LM.... we are both proud of our investments. You do nice burnout, park. We rib each other in friendly manner, like happens at these. You giggle that I have the I6 and brag about the musical tones of your tuned exhaust right up to point when we talk about going to Track next week and I ask if you want to go head to head. The only one who pipes up is guy with Hellcat that is over spooled, he says he will. I agree knowing 50/50 I beat him anyway because he never launches cleanly anyway.

It might not matter now, while it all theory, but it will eventually matter.
 
I want to see a production street legal Inline 6 with 700+hp. That’s where they can keep the V8 and Hellcat engines.

@TripleT , don’t get me wrong I’m a fan of the Hurricane engines and as I said before, I can see their potential once people get on board with it.
My issue is the sudden and forced transition to non-V8 and EV, which left a lot with a bad taste in their mouths.
They could have kept the 5.7 on Ram 1500 Warlock and below trims.
 
Mopar392 said:
I want to see a production street legal Inline 6 with 700+hp. That’s where they can keep the V8 and Hellcat engines.

@TripleT , don’t get me wrong I’m a fan of the Hurricane engines and as I said before, I can see their potential once people get on board with it.
My issue is the sudden and forced transition to non-V8 and EV, which left a lot with a bad taste in their mouths.
They could have kept the 5.7 on Ram 1500 Warlock and below trims.
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No one outside of Pepe and the Regulatory Class disagrees with that, the forced transition was bad. Seem even selling the Hurricane to Pepe was a task.

The Hurricane already absorbs the Eagle to Apache gap, the Hellcat Gap will take that some time, maintaining cylinder walls vs popped heads... New engine different issue.

It all theory now, LM HO starts showing it rear to Apache owners is when it becomes real.... Tuners beating Hellcats is becomes real. (Which won't be too hard since most Hellcat drivers are left in smoke at the line.)
 
TripleT said:
Valid point... I believe that current management wanted the transition to be natural not forced. And is concerned bad marketing around it.

Fact is past sales cannot be affected by lack of V8, because they didn't lack a V8. They lacked Chargers.... especially not V8 chargers.

You been here awhile no I not against the V8, just wonder how it fits given how good the I6 is and confirmed by the recent reviews.

I loved my 392 may it rest in peace or whatever car in got transplanted into.

A natural market driven transition would have been better, where total cost including regulatory fee passed to consumer.

It certainly is reputational for Dodge... but reality is most people like 98% never even move the plastic cover to count the cylinder. If anything the success of the new Camry show the engine doesn't even need to be attached to the drivetrain, If you can fuel in it and it goes, and goes fast, reliably that matters most.

Not have the Charger at volume is big issue, any Charger. Not having a Cherokee/Rav4 sized CUV for over a year is a big problem. Making only expensive JGC, Wrangler, RAMs, and Gladiators are big problem, not have any Affordable vehicles even if it only to drive traffic... is big problem.

Doesn't mean there is market challenges around not having V8... of course but you have to plug the biggest holes first. And YA can't even market how cool the new Charger will be with its new Turbo Charged beast with old ones still on lots, and new one 5 months out.
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The old management deprived of product, while they extremely overpriced the volume sellers.
Dodge Hornet should have been packaged and marketed differently and better.
Ram should have had an entry level pickup.
I can’t understand how the Cherokee got discontinued without an immediate replacement, when that segment is one of the highest sellers.
 
Mopar392 said:
The old management deprived of product, while they extremely overpriced the volume sellers.
Dodge Hornet should have been packaged and marketed differently and better.
Ram should have had an entry level pickup.
I can’t understand how the Cherokee got discontinued without an immediate replacement, when that segment is one of the highest sellers.
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I know SM used to get Xenophobic crap on many Forums but that Dude understand the relationship between capacity in profitability like no one before and after.

He would never have left market unfilled for a F*^$ing Year for a product Transition? Let alone 2 product positions.... guess they moved the Compass up a bit but really no it still a down range from Rav.

How would any consumer know the Hornet is PHEV... ya seen one ad .... Act like it is a baby Charger... It a better Caliber but tough to pay shipping for Dodge, especially with what happen the last 2 year with global transport. I love my Tonale but I knew what I was buying, had a Hornet GT as loaner. It not a bad car, any one claiming that has spent time with it. It better than any small Dodge outside the SRT4. Just not with the shipping and character that belongs in a Alfa.

Ram needs a cheap version who knew... Yeah we did cuz the Classic was still selling.

I get it the merger and fiscal freeze related. But ya can't sit a pretend you don't know why sales are down when Everything is a year behind except ending production.

There needed to be a plan to run Charger, Cherokees, Renegades, and Ram Classics right up until supply window of the outgoing models.

There is literally an idled plant to allow this shuffle, unused, and will be until Midsized Pickup launches.

Face it, its not just here they shelved there best selling car the ICE 500, without a replacement.... WTF .... they are just now implementing?

This is terrorist level mismanagement... Maybe instead of trying to steal the company from the Italians to make some sort of French Super company they should have focused on making cars.

But what do I know.

Whew I feel better now :D :P
 
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Eagle has consistently been fined by the EPA and NHSTA...

Which of these models offer a V8? And again, why should concede the volume to a Start up of the best selling car in the World.

STLA did not replace the Vehicle of 1st and 3rd .... arguably position 8th(Compass?). They haven't replaced the Vehicle yet, V8 or not or the 6th position, and won't have a direct competitor until Hurricane4 is offered when??? End of the year? So out of that business for 1.5 years. They have just launched a competitor to the 4th position but not exactly, while people here complain about that. For sure shouldn't wade into 7 and 8 (low margin) unless they bring the next Tipo as a Chrysler assembled in Brampton with Turkish components.

So, for over a year the only vehicle STLA has a true competitive model is in 2,5, and 10.

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As the auto segment sinks deeper into recession buyers are going for smaller high MPG vehicles. See chart above. The engine issues GM is having with the 6,2 V8 putting rods thru the block and the fuel module failures leaving owners stranded borders on criminal ! AS these issues spread expect to see GM sales drop off a cliff !
 
DodgeFL said:
As the auto segment sinks deeper into recession buyers are going for smaller high MPG vehicles. See chart above. The engine issues GM is having with the 6,2 V8 putting rods thru the block and the fuel module failures leaving owners stranded borders on criminal ! AS these issues spread expect to see GM sales drop off a cliff !
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Coyote isn't problem free either. Head exchange semi recall is super odd.
 
TripleT said:
Eagle has consistently been fined by the EPA and NHSTA...

Which of these models offer a V8? And again, why should concede the volume to a Start up of the best selling car in the World.

STLA did not replace the Vehicle of 1st and 3rd .... arguably position 8th(Compass?). They haven't replaced the Vehicle yet, V8 or not or the 6th position, and won't have a direct competitor until Hurricane4 is offered when??? End of the year? So out of that business for 1.5 years. They have just launched a competitor to the 4th position but not exactly, while people here complain about that. For sure shouldn't wade into 7 and 8 (low margin) unless they bring the next Tipo as a Chrysler assembled in Brampton with Turkish components.

So, for over a year the only vehicle STLA has a true competitive model is in 2,5, and 10.

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What fines? EPA NTSB?
 
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