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The New Electric Dodge Charger Will Get An Optional Glass Roof

Dodge’s transition towards electric next-generation muscle cars has been shrouded in mystery, with limited official information about their upcoming “e-muscle” vehicles. However, some intriguing details have emerged from sources linked to MoparInsiders.com, shedding light on what enthusiasts might anticipate from the new Charger. The Dodge Charger Daytona SRT Banshee Concept gave us a glimpse of … (read full article...)

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I still maintain that this PC, environmentalist driven hysteria deluding the global auto manufacturing industry is a doomed fools mission to huge business losses and an gleeful embarrassment to the management saps that are falling for it. You couldn’t give that electric Charger to me and millions like me, not even with a glass roof and a built in toilet, for free. I predict there will be few takers for these blenders on wheels and as more folks begin the grasp the craziness of going electric, that, except for the wannabe crowd that buys anything to be noticed or popular, there will be few takers. There is a new Sheriff coming to Dodge City next year and that lawman states clearly “drill baby drill”, like in oil and gas.
Sorry tree huggers, your days are numbered on Blueberry Hill and Dodge is heading out for OK Corral with an extension cord in their holster.
 

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I'm all for the evolution of Mopar performance but I don't see a full EV mopar really doing great as a volume seller. The EV market is down due to the fact that people are really starting to realize that there isn't enough of a benefit in having full electric vehicles because they are extremely limited in what they can do. Dodge would need to set the projected target sales super low on this vehicle to get it to reach any kind of goal but, that's not to say EVs are bad and they can't be fun and that they don't have a place in this market, because they do. You take an extreme performance machine like the CD170. Dodge isn't selling them in vast numbers but every one of them sold out. There are people out there who love EV performance and would love to get their hands on them just to tinker with them to see what can be done to make them faster. Not even in a ICE vs EV type thing, but just to see what can be done. I don't have the funding to do so, but I am curious to see just what can be done with an EV "muscle car" to make it faster than what it already is. For me, personally, I still think that the best performance option would be to make every single powertrain a hybrid powertrain with the 2.0L Hybrid base, a 3.0L Standard output, a 3.0 HO Stage 1 Hybrid, a 3.0L Stage 2 HO Hybrid and a 3.0L Stage 3 HO Hybrid. Stage one would take the regular 510hp/500tq 3.0L and put a hybrid system behind that, Stage 2 would use the HurriCrate Cat-3 550hp/531tq 3.0L HO engine and put a hybrid system behind that and the Stage 3 would take that HurriCrate Cat-X powertrain that targets mid 1,000hp, detuned to a more street friendly 850hp with a hybrid powertrain behind that. That still puts the base car at 5.7L Hemi Horsepower and 6.4L Hemi Torque with all wheel drive and the numbers go up from there. That means you have high performance cars that exceed what we currently have that can also go 30miles on full electric power which means the EPA guys shouldn't have any issues. Honestly, I wish we could have just gotten smaller V8 hybrid engines but seeing that it didn't go that way, I'm honestly okay with the Inline-6 setup. Put some more power in the Turbo-4 FWD STLA medium car market and now you're talking. Ramp up Direct Connection, GLH and SRT and make money!

I'm still feeling that the EV focus points should be Chrysler and fleet vehicles. Your core EV customer group primarily are going to be your general commuters, your ride sharers, short range fleets and people in those categories. Your Café crowd, or the upper middle class suburban crowd where the homes have two car garages and driveways. I.E the minivan and entry to mid level luxury mid-size crossover/SUV crowd. The Anti-burnout, Anti-loud exhaust, non-enthusiasts crowd. Outside of Minivans, this is the crowd that gravitates towards cars like Tesla or the Porsche Tacan & the Audi E-Tron and EVs like that. This is the crowd where you can market EV cars to and have a mellow "Fratzonic" exhaust on a Chrysler product for a subtle sporty tone that allows pedestrians to know that you're there and make it just a little edgier than the normal EV sound because its a Mopar product. The only way a Fratzonic system on a Dodge would be decent is when the car is in all EV mode and you don't want to be completely silent so you have something that lends to a sporty tone and making it sound closer to the Inline-6 wouldn't be terrible at that point. EV Chrysler SUVs could be something like the Imperial, the New Yorker, the Fifth Avenue, the Lebaron, the Cordoba and yes, the Airflow. The Return of the Chrysler 300M could be a sleek EV sedan with a Hurst Edition to challenge the Tesla Plaid and the Lucid Air Sapphire. it's not that EV cars won't sell because they will, it's how they're marketed and where they're marketed. The example I just gave was one Demographic, the other is the Café & Bistro crowd. This crowd loves a minimalistic environment for a clear mind space. A vehicle that suits this crowd is somewhat small on the outside, roomy and airy on the inside an appeals to interests in art, music and nature. That sounds like a small Jeep to me. Not a crazy off roader but something that fits good in the park or at the trails or on the beach. A minimalistic, art inspired interior with dynamic LED lighting as accents, a powerful, balanced, audiophile-level sound system, simple dash and cluster that give a clear view to the freedom of their choice. Because Isn't Jeep all about freedom? Introducing the all new Jeep Wanderlust. An electric jeep with a 400mi+ range for uninhibited freedom. Yeah, sorry for the commercial speech but seriously if BEVs are going to be marketed then they need to be marketed to their proper audience. The current Dodge owner isn't it. With us, we are a visceral group of enthusiast and our core passions for the brand revolve around the relationship we have with our vehicles and yes it is exactly that. For Dodge, Ram, and Wrangler owners (and 300 owners) our relationship with our cars is deeply personal because alot of times, its a reflection of us and the purchase of the vehicle wasn't about basic transportation, it was choice and emotion. An EV will never fill that void. It doesn't matter how loud it is, how the E-Rupt system mimics a gear shifting transmission or any of that. It's not the same, and to add all of the haptic feedback systems and everything else to get an EV to truly mimic a gas-powered V8 would shoot the prices up even further. Even to be able to tune an EV isn't the same as physically being able to go under the hood and put a cold air intake on or doing an oil change or any of that stuff. And we know that when it brakes its going to be super expensive to fix. If we wanted that, we would be focused on buy Bugatti's and things of that nature, not Mopars. The other target for EVs should be short distance parcel fleets like Amazon, DHL and other companies that do a lot of city and suburban area driving delivery packages along with rental car companies and ride share/food delivery. A Ram Promaster City would be a perfect candidate for an EV for fleet companies like Hertz to do a partnership with Stellantis, Amazon, Uber & Door Dash for a vehicle that seats up to 7-people, has great cargo space, small in size, rides and behaves like a car and would be inexpensive to rent for rideshare/food deliveries and small parcel deliveries. The Promaster 2500 would be great for Parcel fleets like UPS, or for moving vans for companies like U haul. This is where you market EVs, where you don't have to offer gimmicky things like Crystal performance keys and things like that. Again Crystal key = premium. That would be directed to Chrysler.

A statement was made about the fact that the company is studying the market. IF so, they'd notice the new vehicle categories coming out. You have low riding EV crossovers like the EV6 GT and the new Blazer SS along with high performance crossover coupes like the BMW X6M, the Porsche Cayenne, the ones from Mercedes and even an upcoming Genesis Crossover coupe. along with vehicles like the Urus and the Audi RS Q8. Bringing out vehicles to challenge the X4M, the X6M, the Porsche Cayenne coupes, the GLE AMG Coupes and GLC AMG competition coupes would have been my thought if I were studying the market place and realizing that there's a complete ecosystem of these vehicles that the brand hasn't tapped into yet. I would have paired my Hurricane-hybrid powertrains with vehicles like these because then the clearance for everything would be there. gave them all-wheel drive, coupled them with my other midsize SUVs and crossovers such as a new Durango and a performance version of the Grand Cherokee, brought out a plethora of Direct Connection upgrades and Jailbreak packages for these vehicles. Even if they drop the Grand Cherokee name for the Wagoneer S and Wagoneer S Extended and have the Recon as it's running mate on the STLA Large platform, that's how you study the market and capitalize on new products and powertrains. As far as Ram goes, I don't see the REV being a total loss, just needs to be a low volume truck. Getting rid of the Hemi and adding the hurricane powertrains is an awesome move but adding hurricane hybrids would be even better. As for the 2500HD, I'd say bring out a 5.9L Inline-6 twin turbo ICE hybrid powertrain and walk all over everybody. That powertrain should also be in a Ram 1500HD pickup that takes the place of what the old Ram 2500 sport pickup held. Bring the push to pass technology to this truck to add performance for towing up a grade or just moving a heavy load off the line would be beneficial to the truck. But, long story short, I'm excited about the new Charger but Stellantis needs to figure out how to do what they're trying to do.
 

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I still maintain that this PC, environmentalist driven hysteria deluding the global auto manufacturing industry is a doomed fools mission to huge business losses and an gleeful embarrassment to the management saps that are falling for it. You couldn’t give that electric Charger to me and millions like me, not even with a glass roof and a built in toilet, for free. I predict there will be few takers for these blenders on wheels and as more folks begin the grasp the craziness of going electric, that, except for the wannabe crowd that buys anything to be noticed or popular, there will be few takers. There is a new Sheriff coming to Dodge City next year and that lawman states clearly “drill baby drill”, like in oil and gas.
Sorry tree huggers, your days are numbered on Blueberry Hill and Dodge is heading out for OK Corral with an extension cord in their holster.
I agree 100% Bill. This EV thing is a flash in the pan. Our electric grid in the US could never, ever handle it! Can you imagine if 50% of the cars in the southern part of the US had EV’s during this summers heat wave? Take your pick, A/C to stay cool and survive or charge your car to go to work and/or the store for food! Can’t produce enough power for both!
This truly is one of the top 5 mistakes our government is shoving down our throats in the last 50 years. They can keep their EV’s and go hug a tree!
 

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I'm all for the evolution of Mopar performance but I don't see a full EV mopar really doing great as a volume seller. The EV market is down due to the fact that people are really starting to realize that there isn't enough of a benefit in having full electric vehicles because they are extremely limited in what they can do. Dodge would need to set the projected target sales super low on this vehicle to get it to reach any kind of goal but, that's not to say EVs are bad and they can't be fun and that they don't have a place in this market, because they do. You take an extreme performance machine like the CD170. Dodge isn't selling them in vast numbers but every one of them sold out. There are people out there who love EV performance and would love to get their hands on them just to tinker with them to see what can be done to make them faster. Not even in a ICE vs EV type thing, but just to see what can be done. I don't have the funding to do so, but I am curious to see just what can be done with an EV "muscle car" to make it faster than what it already is. For me, personally, I still think that the best performance option would be to make every single powertrain a hybrid powertrain with the 2.0L Hybrid base, a 3.0L Standard output, a 3.0 HO Stage 1 Hybrid, a 3.0L Stage 2 HO Hybrid and a 3.0L Stage 3 HO Hybrid. Stage one would take the regular 510hp/500tq 3.0L and put a hybrid system behind that, Stage 2 would use the HurriCrate Cat-3 550hp/531tq 3.0L HO engine and put a hybrid system behind that and the Stage 3 would take that HurriCrate Cat-X powertrain that targets mid 1,000hp, detuned to a more street friendly 850hp with a hybrid powertrain behind that. That still puts the base car at 5.7L Hemi Horsepower and 6.4L Hemi Torque with all wheel drive and the numbers go up from there. That means you have high performance cars that exceed what we currently have that can also go 30miles on full electric power which means the EPA guys shouldn't have any issues. Honestly, I wish we could have just gotten smaller V8 hybrid engines but seeing that it didn't go that way, I'm honestly okay with the Inline-6 setup. Put some more power in the Turbo-4 FWD STLA medium car market and now you're talking. Ramp up Direct Connection, GLH and SRT and make money!

I'm still feeling that the EV focus points should be Chrysler and fleet vehicles. Your core EV customer group primarily are going to be your general commuters, your ride sharers, short range fleets and people in those categories. Your Café crowd, or the upper middle class suburban crowd where the homes have two car garages and driveways. I.E the minivan and entry to mid level luxury mid-size crossover/SUV crowd. The Anti-burnout, Anti-loud exhaust, non-enthusiasts crowd. Outside of Minivans, this is the crowd that gravitates towards cars like Tesla or the Porsche Tacan & the Audi E-Tron and EVs like that. This is the crowd where you can market EV cars to and have a mellow "Fratzonic" exhaust on a Chrysler product for a subtle sporty tone that allows pedestrians to know that you're there and make it just a little edgier than the normal EV sound because its a Mopar product. The only way a Fratzonic system on a Dodge would be decent is when the car is in all EV mode and you don't want to be completely silent so you have something that lends to a sporty tone and making it sound closer to the Inline-6 wouldn't be terrible at that point. EV Chrysler SUVs could be something like the Imperial, the New Yorker, the Fifth Avenue, the Lebaron, the Cordoba and yes, the Airflow. The Return of the Chrysler 300M could be a sleek EV sedan with a Hurst Edition to challenge the Tesla Plaid and the Lucid Air Sapphire. it's not that EV cars won't sell because they will, it's how they're marketed and where they're marketed. The example I just gave was one Demographic, the other is the Café & Bistro crowd. This crowd loves a minimalistic environment for a clear mind space. A vehicle that suits this crowd is somewhat small on the outside, roomy and airy on the inside an appeals to interests in art, music and nature. That sounds like a small Jeep to me. Not a crazy off roader but something that fits good in the park or at the trails or on the beach. A minimalistic, art inspired interior with dynamic LED lighting as accents, a powerful, balanced, audiophile-level sound system, simple dash and cluster that give a clear view to the freedom of their choice. Because Isn't Jeep all about freedom? Introducing the all new Jeep Wanderlust. An electric jeep with a 400mi+ range for uninhibited freedom. Yeah, sorry for the commercial speech but seriously if BEVs are going to be marketed then they need to be marketed to their proper audience. The current Dodge owner isn't it. With us, we are a visceral group of enthusiast and our core passions for the brand revolve around the relationship we have with our vehicles and yes it is exactly that. For Dodge, Ram, and Wrangler owners (and 300 owners) our relationship with our cars is deeply personal because alot of times, its a reflection of us and the purchase of the vehicle wasn't about basic transportation, it was choice and emotion. An EV will never fill that void. It doesn't matter how loud it is, how the E-Rupt system mimics a gear shifting transmission or any of that. It's not the same, and to add all of the haptic feedback systems and everything else to get an EV to truly mimic a gas-powered V8 would shoot the prices up even further. Even to be able to tune an EV isn't the same as physically being able to go under the hood and put a cold air intake on or doing an oil change or any of that stuff. And we know that when it brakes its going to be super expensive to fix. If we wanted that, we would be focused on buy Bugatti's and things of that nature, not Mopars. The other target for EVs should be short distance parcel fleets like Amazon, DHL and other companies that do a lot of city and suburban area driving delivery packages along with rental car companies and ride share/food delivery. A Ram Promaster City would be a perfect candidate for an EV for fleet companies like Hertz to do a partnership with Stellantis, Amazon, Uber & Door Dash for a vehicle that seats up to 7-people, has great cargo space, small in size, rides and behaves like a car and would be inexpensive to rent for rideshare/food deliveries and small parcel deliveries. The Promaster 2500 would be great for Parcel fleets like UPS, or for moving vans for companies like U haul. This is where you market EVs, where you don't have to offer gimmicky things like Crystal performance keys and things like that. Again Crystal key = premium. That would be directed to Chrysler.

A statement was made about the fact that the company is studying the market. IF so, they'd notice the new vehicle categories coming out. You have low riding EV crossovers like the EV6 GT and the new Blazer SS along with high performance crossover coupes like the BMW X6M, the Porsche Cayenne, the ones from Mercedes and even an upcoming Genesis Crossover coupe. along with vehicles like the Urus and the Audi RS Q8. Bringing out vehicles to challenge the X4M, the X6M, the Porsche Cayenne coupes, the GLE AMG Coupes and GLC AMG competition coupes would have been my thought if I were studying the market place and realizing that there's a complete ecosystem of these vehicles that the brand hasn't tapped into yet. I would have paired my Hurricane-hybrid powertrains with vehicles like these because then the clearance for everything would be there. gave them all-wheel drive, coupled them with my other midsize SUVs and crossovers such as a new Durango and a performance version of the Grand Cherokee, brought out a plethora of Direct Connection upgrades and Jailbreak packages for these vehicles. Even if they drop the Grand Cherokee name for the Wagoneer S and Wagoneer S Extended and have the Recon as it's running mate on the STLA Large platform, that's how you study the market and capitalize on new products and powertrains. As far as Ram goes, I don't see the REV being a total loss, just needs to be a low volume truck. Getting rid of the Hemi and adding the hurricane powertrains is an awesome move but adding hurricane hybrids would be even better. As for the 2500HD, I'd say bring out a 5.9L Inline-6 twin turbo ICE hybrid powertrain and walk all over everybody. That powertrain should also be in a Ram 1500HD pickup that takes the place of what the old Ram 2500 sport pickup held. Bring the push to pass technology to this truck to add performance for towing up a grade or just moving a heavy load off the line would be beneficial to the truck. But, long story short, I'm excited about the new Charger but Stellantis needs to figure out how to do what they're trying to do.
Your thoughtful post reflects a pragmatic view that also has a bit of optimism I chose not to mention. I agree, there is a small and largely fleet focused market for electrics. The current aggressive and unrealistic mandates and goals do more disservice to reality and choice autonomy than my deliberate narrow minded posting. We agree, there is no future for Dodge and its market niche with all electric. I elieve and hope that the Charger Daytona Banshee is a success, it has merit, but it’s market is so small, it joins the Demon 170 as nothing more than a halo model, a curiosity as opposed to a volume vehicle that Dodge needs to sustain itself. Reality and market forces will prevail and gas power vehicles will remain the mainstays of Dodge and most brands for decades. That is, my friends, reality.
 

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Your thoughtful post reflects a pragmatic view that also has a bit of optimism I chose not to mention. I agree, there is a small and largely fleet focused market for electrics. The current aggressive and unrealistic mandates and goals do more disservice to reality and choice autonomy than my deliberate narrow minded posting. We agree, there is no future for Dodge and its market niche with all electric. I elieve and hope that the Charger Daytona Banshee is a success, it has merit, but it’s market is so small, it joins the Demon 170 as nothing more than a halo model, a curiosity as opposed to a volume vehicle that Dodge needs to sustain itself. Reality and market forces will prevail and gas power vehicles will remain the mainstays of Dodge and most brands for decades. That is, my friends, reality.
I absolutely 100% agree. The major issue with the way this EV movement is being done is the government is trying to remove the lack of choice and trying to force us to accept things. Granted this goes along with the major theme of the world for the past several years but I'm not going to get into that here. This EV movement is honestly a knee-jerk reaction to a problem that they can't figure out how to solve, although the answer shouldn't be that hard to figure out. Me personally, I'm all for a cleaner environment and reducing the carbon footprint of vehicles. But that statement brings about a question. With all of the vehicles running around with catalytic converters, just how high is the "carbon footprint" to begin with? It doesn't make a whole lot of sense when you really think about it and if there is a carbon footprint issue, why only attack one facet of the problem when anything that uses fossil fuels should be being looked at? Why arent all of the residential and commercial properties that use fossil fuels to source their electricty being converted to solar, wind and hydro-electric power sources? Like I said I'm all for a cleaner environment but its not just the auto industry that contributes to the problem. Funny enough, the countries with the worst air polution are overseas in the Indian area, not the US. Granted we're not the cleanest but we are certainly on the cleaner side. So what is really the issue? Granted I have my thoughts on this but, they are more political so again I'll refrain from posting them here. But the truth of the matter is that there is something else behind this and it's not what is being told. But Back to the car itself, I'm still very excited to see what the new hurricane powerplants can do and I hope that the Mopar brands will continue to push forward and be successful for years to come.
 

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I agree 100% Bill. This EV thing is a flash in the pan. Our electric grid in the US could never, ever handle it! Can you imagine if 50% of the cars in the southern part of the US had EV’s during this summers heat wave? Take your pick, A/C to stay cool and survive or charge your car to go to work and/or the store for food! Can’t produce enough power for both!
This truly is one of the top 5 mistakes our government is shoving down our throats in the last 50 years. They can keep their EV’s and go hug a tree!
Can we skip this discussion every time there is news on an EV from Mopar.

Yes, the grid isn't sufficient, Yes, the charging infrastructure is nearly nonexistent. Yes, if we don't move to modern Nuclear the supply is too limited.

YES YES YES YES

But none of it matters until voters in the CARB states wake up, and I truly don't believe they will until it crashes. In the meantime, the punitive fines are ramping up from the EPA and CARB states, and outright bans are on horizon now for approved projects.

So NO NO NO can FCA abandon HALF the US population. It is the legislative reality until laws are changed and rolled back, so complaining here is pointless.
 

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Your thoughtful post reflects a pragmatic view that also has a bit of optimism I chose not to mention. I agree, there is a small and largely fleet focused market for electrics. The current aggressive and unrealistic mandates and goals do more disservice to reality and choice autonomy than my deliberate narrow minded posting. We agree, there is no future for Dodge and its market niche with all electric. I elieve and hope that the Charger Daytona Banshee is a success, it has merit, but it’s market is so small, it joins the Demon 170 as nothing more than a halo model, a curiosity as opposed to a volume vehicle that Dodge needs to sustain itself. Reality and market forces will prevail and gas power vehicles will remain the mainstays of Dodge and most brands for decades. That is, my friends, reality.
NO the REALITY IS.... the 18 State that contain over HALF the US population have passed or just plain executive dictates that make the sale and marketing of ICE powered impractical in model year 28' and plain illegal by 35'. You can post the same complaint over and over and over again, but it is misplaced here, it is a political issue. FCA is only responding to regulatory environment they are inheriting from ignorant voting decisions.
 

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I really like the glass roof on our Stelvio, glad it will be an option on the LB49 hope it also in on the LB29.
 

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Ok, so lets take a moment to point out some positives (both actual and potential) about this particular car and the hurricane powertrains and also some of the NON-EV things that this article points out to us. First and foremost, we are going to see the Challenger and Charger live on with some very powerful ICE powertrains. The Charger remains a four-door both it and the Daytona will resemble the concept car, which is a decent looking car in itself. The article states the Daytona will retain the R-wing but there is no mention of the ICE charger receiving it, which to me means that the ICE Charger will have a grille where the R-Wing is on the Daytona, which makes a bit of sense. It's said that it will resemble the car so this is not exactly what it will look like so hopeful the Charger will get the door scallops back and hopefully have more of the roofline, doors, and trunk styling of the '99 Charger concept with the front and rear of the Banshee concept, which is totally doable with the design the car has. Another thing I hope this new Charger retains is that dash and front console layout. Honestly I love the front part of the Concept's interior and while those doors need to be alot more practical, the design is truly epic and I would love to see this next car have flat folding rear seats and a hatchback area. I'm not going to lie the first things I thought when I saw this was that it was improved design of the old F-Body cars so it would actually be a welcome addition to the new car. Obviously the car isn't going to have two individual race seats, but the thought of 2+2 seating does seem logical. Chargers are decent sized cars but three adults in the back of a sedan isn't comfortable. lets face it 3 adults side by side in the back of any vehicle isn't comfortable at all. Doesn't matter if it's an SUV or a car its not comfortable. As far as ICE powertrains go, it is awesome to know that we are getting ICE options for the upcoming cars. Now the article really only talks about one of the Hurricane powerplants, but I can't see them just having the 3.0L SO & 3.0L HO as the only two engines in this car. I still feel that the 375hp/470tq 2.0L Hybrid is going to make up the base engines or at least come in as the GT variant. It has been said that the 3.6L Pentastar is going to stick around in the Dodge lineup and although unlikely, the 300hp V6 could serve as the base model SXT powertrain While the 420hp/468tq 3.0L Standard output makes up the R/T lineup and the 550hp/531tq 3.0L High Output (HurriCrate Cat3) I-6 Twin Turbo serves as the powertrain for the Scat Pack with everything coming with AWD as Standard. That genuinely makes the car extremely competitive and definitely as an advantage over it's American muscle car competitor. Cargo space, comfort, power, handling, all-weather capability and styling. The inline-6 also has several advantages over the Hemi V8s they replace. Not only do they currently outpower the 5.7, the 6.1 & 6.4L V8s, they're also alot easier to modify and are more responsive to modifications that don't require engine tear downs. Anyone who has read any of my posts know I'm big on Direct Connection, Stage kits and factory backed performance and styling upgrades. There are way too many companies out there that produce Carb-certified performance upgrades that have high enough quality that can be incorporated into the Direct Connection performance portfolio, Garrett and Turbonetics both offer turbo upgrades for the Ford Ecoboost platform which means they could offer similar products for the new Hurricane performance line. Companies that offer intakes, blow-off valves, exhaust systems, etc. should definitely be considered as partners for Direct Connection. Chargers and Challengers are some of the most modified cars in the US right now so why not offer customization products right from the factory? Direct Connections should be gearing up to offer wheel & tire packages, suspension options, brake options, spoiler options, hood options, lighting options, graphics and wrap options, factory stereo upgrade options and basically everything that would keep the brand out in front even with the absence of the V8 powertrains. When I say options, I don't just mean one particular brand or flavor. There should be options. There are companies out there like Magnaflow, AWE, HKS, etc. that make amazing products and are more in tune to the Turbo community since that's the direction the brand is taking. A 2.0L Turbo-4 Hybrid GT variant should have options that give it the same nasty attitude as an SRT4 ACR Neon and sound to boot. I can't stress it enough that this car truly has potential if done right and marketed/supported properly. We all know it will never sound the same as a Pushrod v8 but an Inline-6 twin turbo can be made to sound good and if the brand can legally market an EV car to have a factory exhaust at 126db, then there's no problem in making the next gen ICE car have a loud exhaust system as well. All in all, this car has major potential and I think the ICE versions of the next Charger will do quite well
 

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My guess is that 2.OL T will be the standard engine... it the new lighter car will nearly be as quick as the Eagle cars. THE PHEV will be option along with the I6 Hurricanes. There is zero point in certifying the Pentastar.
 

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NO the REALITY IS.... the 18 State that contain over HALF the US population have passed or just plain executive dictates that make the sale and marketing of ICE powered impractical in model year 28' and plain illegal by 35'. You can post the same complaint over and over and over again, but it is misplaced here, it is a political issue. FCA is only responding to regulatory environment they are inheriting from ignorant voting decisions.
2035 is a long way off. By that point, if the infrastructure is in place then yes, there is a good chance the ICE powered vehicles will be a thing of the past. Hopefully we will have found a way to switch over from using fossil fuels for electricity to solar, wind and hydroelectricity for our main sources of power for residential and commercial needs as well as for where we get the electricity to charge EVs. The problem isn't the switch to EVs, the problem is having the supporting factors in place to switch everything to having the world run off of clean electric power. The other issue is the cost of repairs on EVs when something goes wrong. Going from replacing a belt or an alternator to replacing an entire drive unit is a big jump and it isn't something that most people are financially prepared for and there's no option of going to Auto Zone for a part for these things so there are alot of other aspects the industry (and government) need to think about before passing these mandates. The problem is, most of these people dont have to worry about this because all of this is taken care of for them so they don't even realize what the cost of something like this is. As it stands CURRENTLY, a complete switch to EVs is immensely impractical and would be devastating to the economy. However, properly thought out, managed and executed, it's not the most terrible idea. I for one, believe that a balance of hybrids and full BEVs would be a better way to go about doing it, especially if Hydrogen hybrids ever become a thing because that offers the best of both worlds in alot of ways, but either way, a cleaner world is a great idea but this needs to be better thought out and it's not going to happen with the current state of our government until it's too late.
 

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2035 is a long way off. By that point, if the infrastructure is in place then yes, there is a good chance the ICE powered vehicles will be a thing of the past. Hopefully we will have found a way to switch over from using fossil fuels for electricity to solar, wind and hydroelectricity for our main sources of power for residential and commercial needs as well as for where we get the electricity to charge EVs. The problem isn't the switch to EVs, the problem is having the supporting factors in place to switch everything to having the world run off of clean electric power. The other issue is the cost of repairs on EVs when something goes wrong. Going from replacing a belt or an alternator to replacing an entire drive unit is a big jump and it isn't something that most people are financially prepared for and there's no option of going to Auto Zone for a part for these things so there are alot of other aspects the industry (and government) need to think about before passing these mandates. The problem is, most of these people dont have to worry about this because all of this is taken care of for them so they don't even realize what the cost of something like this is. As it stands CURRENTLY, a complete switch to EVs is immensely impractical and would be devastating to the economy. However, properly thought out, managed and executed, it's not the most terrible idea. I for one, believe that a balance of hybrids and full BEVs would be a better way to go about doing it, especially if Hydrogen hybrids ever become a thing because that offers the best of both worlds in alot of ways, but either way, a cleaner world is a great idea but this needs to be better thought out and it's not going to happen with the current state of our government until it's too late.
Take 4 to 7 year to develop a car SO NO 35' is not a long way .

And remember the real model year is 28' as that is when the Punitive fines begin. The fines already exist but ramp up aggressively by 28'.

I know these details are lost on most ..... especially in the CARB states but this is being forced down the OEMs throat before the voting public will wake up to reality.

OEMs MUST to do business with half the population MUST develop those vehicles now. I know it makes you the cool kid to say how dumb EVs are but if your in a CARB state your choice is rapidly being dissolved and blaming the OEMs is not the solution.

watch the next shoe to drop will be on repairing and compliance of grandfathered ICE vehicles.
 
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I hope the gas powered version maintains most of the concepts looks. Praying that we do not get theHornet cross-eyed DLR's or that mail slot grill nonsense.
 

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I agree on the low take rate for these, and the banshee will indeed be crazy quick but they need bread and butter cool like they had with the current charger and challenger and the sales volume that came with that. They better be leaving "some gas in the tank" to switch things around once a better government gets elected and cranks up oil production - which is guaranteed as its the easiest way to crawl out of this mess we're currently in.
 

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I have a stupid question: With all this talk abut 100% EV, what happens to all those people living in apartments or places where chargers will be difficult to install? How will they be able to charge their vehicles? I see places where parking is at a premium now. Wait till they start fighting over charging stations! Heck, there are houses in my neighborhood that have 4 or 5 cars out front. I can't imagine ALL of those cars hooked up to the same house at the same time.
 

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My guess is that 2.OL T will be the standard engine... it the new lighter car will nearly be as quick as the Eagle cars. THE PHEV will be option along with the I6 Hurricanes. There is zero point in certifying the Pentastar.

No, GME-T4 as far as I know.
 

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I have a stupid question: With all this talk abut 100% EV, what happens to all those people living in apartments or places where chargers will be difficult to install? How will they be able to charge their vehicles? I see places where parking is at a premium now. Wait till they start fighting over charging stations! Heck, there are houses in my neighborhood that have 4 or 5 cars out front. I can't imagine ALL of those cars hooked up to the same house at the same time.
Look this is not your concern... just go along with the mandates. Until these problems are shown as real people will not change the voting habit. For sure the most densely populated area are CARB areas.

My recent visit to China they are way ahead. All parking garages have both Level2 and Level3 chargers, Parking lots have them and even stacked parking with chargers.

Like many things Americans don't seem to care until the bill comes due and will ask everyone from the non-carb states to help them out.
 

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