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The Supercharged HEMI Era Might Be Coming To An End, But Not Performance Says Dodge//SRT:

The Supercharged HEMI Era Might Be Coming To An End, But Not Performance Says Dodge//SRT:​

New Electrification Ways Could Push Performance Ahead...​


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The Dodge//SRT brand is known as the American performance brand thanks to its value-based high-performance V8 muscle cars and SUVs. Vehicles like the 797 horsepower Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat Redeye Widebody, 717 horsepower Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat, and the 470 horsepower Dodge Durango SRT392, have become staples to draw people to the brand. But with the age of electrification upon us, the HEMI V8 muscle car and SUV era might be coming to an end.

 

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Having the GME-T6 capable of making a 500+hp with better fuel economy definitely put a doom on the NA HEMI’s. Even hybridizing them won’t make sense except for only the nostalgia of having a V8 and us old-school.

But the death of the Hellcat engine is a bummer.
 

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V8s aren't going anywhere, they're just going to get more expensive.
 

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Excellent article. I'm curious about what's going to become of the supercharged V8s in the wake of hybrid and electric power plant introductions in the years to come. As much as I enjoy my naturally aspirated 392 ci V8, the notion of coaxing 500+ HP from any kind of power source has got my attention. I'm actually pretty stoked about what is to come. I don't fear change. It's inevitable and I fully embrace it. Fear is for losers who fail to adapt to change.

A very compelling story and well-researched. Bravo!
 
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I still think it's truly sad when what consumers truly want and what automakers are going to build are two different things. That should never happen, but insert government influence and.....
 

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don't get to exercised about it, things don't change that fast for capacity reasons and they often change.

I better there is a bigger debate about whether the 3.0L GME has enough life given Electric drive.... but I pretty sure the infrastructure thing will limit that.
 

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I wish they'd make a Twin Turbo Hellcat instead of the supercharger.
But it seems all V8's are dying in favor of GME-T6, hybridization and electrification.

A bit premature to say this. WL75 still shows the 5.7L Hemi as a a $3700 option, which is reasonable. But WL75 is $4000 too expensive anyways; we'll see where sales land in the next few quarters, once the chip situation normalizes.
 

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A bit premature to say this. WL75 still shows the 5.7L Hemi as a a $3700 option, which is reasonable. But WL75 is $4000 too expensive anyways; we'll see where sales land in the next few quarters, once the chip situation normalizes.
Do you really think they will sell the 5.7 and 6.4 HEMI beside the GME-T6 for too long?

I do think the 5.7 and 6.4 HEMI on the Wagoneer, Grand Wagoneer and WL Grand Cherokee are just a way to get the people used to the GME-T6.
Then based on the take rate, they’d drop the HEMI on the first mid-cycle refresh
 

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not the 6.4... and not the 5.7 immediately. They will phase the 5.7 out.
 

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Do you really think they will sell the 5.7 and 6.4 HEMI beside the GME-T6 for too long?

I do think the 5.7 and 6.4 HEMI on the Wagoneer, Grand Wagoneer and WL Grand Cherokee are just a way to get the people used to the GME-T6.
Then based on the take rate, they’d drop the HEMI on the first mid-cycle refresh

Personally, I believe they'll sell the 5.7 for the the next five years in the Grand Cherokee L (as an option) / Grand Wagoneer (standard). Beyond that, who can say for certain - impossible to predict what things will be like beyond 2027.

The real question is if they offer the next L-cars with the 5.7 option as a $3700 option (for all trims), or whether they move it into a trim that is $45K+. My guess is that it is only an option available at a trim that starts at $45K+, hence my earlier comment that the Hemi isn't going away - it's just going to get more expensive.

The GME T-6 will be offered at lower priced next gen L car trims, and they'll say it's just as efficient/powerful as the 5.7. My prediction is that a 5.7 will only be offered at higher level trims for the next gen L cars.
 

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There is a Hemi upgrade coming for the 2025 Model year, I just don't know exactly which version of the Hemi it is yet.

The Ram HD needs a Hemi upgrade. Granted that's the "truck" version of the 6.4, but it's coming up on a decade old now and it's falling WAYYY behind what GM and especially Ford are doing. The media towing reviews with the 6.4L in the Ram are, well, let's just say "not good" to be kind.
 

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The Ram HD needs a Hemi upgrade. Granted that's the "truck" version of the 6.4, but it's coming up on a decade old now and it's falling WAYYY behind what GM and especially Ford are doing. The media towing reviews with the 6.4L in the Ram are, well, let's just say "not good" to be kind.
Big changes happen to RAM HD and 1500 in the 2023/2025 timeframe ( base on Shareholder meeting documents +American Axle(supplier) conference call).
 

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I was there when the unlimited hydroplanes transitioned from thunder boats to woosh boats. Yes the turbine boats were much faster and more reliable. But when the roaring monsters gave way to the quiet turbines the crowds dropped way off ! The thrills of the hairs on the back of your necks standing up and the shaking of Miami Marine Stadium went away and so did the crowds. Memo: faster isn't always the answer ?
 

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