The 2020 Jeep Renegade Will Offer A PHEV Variant

[Bili]

I don't understand the difference between P2 and P4 very well. Granted I haven't had the time to read about the differences. I solely focused on battery capacities.

https://www.fcagroup.com/capitalmar...June 1 2018 CMD_CO2 Regulatory Compliance.pdf

The WLTP cycle is very innacurate and not representative of real world driving conditions. The EPA cycle is spot on, so I don't care for 50km WLTP because that'll pobably translate to 30km EPA range.

It depends how much optimized is WLTP. Some brands will be better and some worse at the start. In the future I'm expecting level playing field.

Lets say that I'm expecting more than 20 miles range from Renegade. Actually closer to 25 miles. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Deckard Cain]

Thanks for the diagram. A friend of mine has the BMW 530e. I suppose it's a P2/P3 PHEV?
He's not happy at all with the electric range he gets from it though.

As for the Renegade if the all-electric range is 40km then that's great. Less than that will be a disappointment. And hopefully it comes with fast charging.
The 2019 Chevy Volt can be used daily as a full electric because it has a decent all-electric range and quick charging. That's what I consider a standard for a PHEV.

 

[KrisW]

Last week I had a quick drive of the Mitubishi Outlander PHEV, which looks to be a P2+P4 or P3+P4 hybrid (there are two electric motors, one per axle, but the front one is not direct), and I was largely impressed with the concept. It's far better than the Toyota full hybrid as a driver's car, and it shows that there's also "fun" to be had, not just economy..

Range of about 30 km on EV mode (based on actual customer use) makes this kind of technology ideal for suburban commuters who have a place to charge when they arrive.

(Charging at work is probably more realistic in Europe, where 10~15 Amp 220 V AC supplies are available pretty much anywhere there's electrical power - at 220V, 10A, this particular car charges from empty in 5 hours - not fast, but that's easily possible within a 9-5 workday)

Also good to see was that you could control the amount of energy recovery performed (but only in "Sport" mode) from a very aggressive setting that felt like driving a golf-cart (the car slows down sharply as soon as you take your foot off the accelerator), to a much more ICE-like setting where the vehicle's speed declines more slowly when you lift off.

The upshot is that while I'm not going to buy an Outlander (too big, not keen on Mitsubishis), I am now very interested to see a Renegade/500X PHEV - the concept can work very well: it's a "better" car, not just a more fuel efficient one.

 

[Deckard Cain]

Yeah, and I'm moer curious on the 500X PHEV since it is more aerodynamic than the Renegade so it should probably get 2 or 3 extra kms compared to it.
In fact, they should try to rush the 500X PHEV to start selling it in the US on CARB states instead of the 500 EV.

 

[Bili]

Thanks for the diagram. A friend of mine has the BMW 530e. I suppose it's a P2/P3 PHEV?
He's not happy at all with the electric range he gets from it though.

As for the Renegade if the all-electric range is 40km then that's great. Less than that will be a disappointment. And hopefully it comes with fast charging.
The 2019 Chevy Volt can be used daily as a full electric because it has a decent all-electric range and quick charging. That's what I consider a standard for a PHEV.

That's an official FCA presentation. From most other sources P1F is marked as P0.

I don't know nothing about BMW 530e. It also depends on driving speeds.
Is it a last generation BMW 530e?

In any case it should be a PHEV in collaboration with ZF. ZF 8HP has modules with P2 electric motor for both PHEV and MHEV. BMW is using that solution for their RWD cars.

 

[Deckard Cain]

Yes, it's the latest 530e. He's pissed of because the car can't even go 30km in EV mode, nor surpass a certain speed otherwise the gasoline engine starts up.

 

[Bili]

Yes, it's the latest 530e. He's pissed of because the car can't even go 30km in EV mode, nor surpass a certain speed otherwise the gasoline engine starts up.

Maybe he has a heavy foot. I'm just kidding.

Official EPA range is extremely low at 24 km / 15 miles. That's not good.

IMO, minimum for PHEV should be around 35 km to be acceptable. And I know that bunch of people were moaning how late is FCA in the electrification game. But I think it was a good and wise move. Technology was immature and expensive. Now is a little bit better situation.

Speaking about P2 PHEV. Recuperation potential is not as good as with P3 or P4 architecture.
Thus Cadillac, Lexus, or even Chrysler with Pacifica, are offering P2P3 PHEV with EVT transmission.

But with any system maximum speed with electric mode is very limited. That's normal behaviour. Most will be sufficient for US speed limits but not in Europe and especially not in Germany on Autobahn.

 

[KrisW]

Renegade PHEV in early 2020, confirmed in the recent earnings reports:

We continue to invest in technologies as we execute our Capital Markets Day plan and we began preparations to produce the new Jeep Renegade PHEV in our Melfi Plant in Italy with a market launch in early 2020. The Renegade PHEV will be produced alongside the internal combustion engine version which we already manufacture in Melfi.

No talk of a 500X version, but I guess that would be an easy introduction given how similar these two vehicles are.