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Stellantis Electric Vehicle Day on July 8, 1 hour before Wall Street open

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Stellantis N.V. will host EV (Electric Vehicle) Day 2021 on Thursday,July 8 ,2021 at 2:30 P.M. CEST/ 8:30 A.M. EST (one hour before the opening of Wall Street ).
“This digital event will be presented by Carlos Tavares, Chief Executive Officer of Stellantis, and will be the opportunity to share Stellantis’ electrification strategy as a key enabler to sustain “clean, safe and affordable mobility.”

Carlos’s first presentation of post-merger product plans. It won’t be all of the plans, but first of significant amount of reveals.
 

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Well the Vauxhall investment rumored to be agreed upon:

The BBC reported on Monday that talks between the British government and Stellantis to secure production of electric vehicles at Ellesmere Port plant are "going positively" and that an announcement is expected in the next few weeks.

Workers at the plant last week agreed to new working conditions, paving the way for the production of a new model. Meanwhile Vauxhall is recruiting for a site civil engineer to oversee "construction works to buildings" for a two-year fixed term. The construction work is understood to involve reducing the size of the factory site, allowing Stellantis to sell off unused land.

The Ellesmere Port announcement could be made on July 8 when Tavares will outline a new electrification strategy for Stellantis.”

On a time point of view, it will be as lengthy as Sterling Heights overhaul was, but Stellantis will be shrinking capacity of the Ellesmere Port.
 

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Oh, believe me. All what Alfa represents is dead. I knew that PSA wasn't a good partner but it's worse than any of my scenarios.

PSA had serious issue and it seems that they are now pushing it on the whole Stellantis. They look at the global car market as it is a French car market. They think that what works in Europe, or even worse in France, can work all over the world and for every brand.

Data shows that while PSA got stronger in France, not su much in the EU, they got worse in South America and China. Halved sales in South America, 10x less in China. And all happened under Carols Tavares.

And now they once again they go with their fallen policy and think that French way of thinking could be applied globally. Part of it can be seen on their electrification strategy which was made public during the last Conference Call.
 

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No, I can't believe you. Because your opinion is just based on rumors and speculation so far. I'll judge when official information and action is visible. If all what Alfa represents is dead, then the dying has started a long time ago.

Dying virtuously has been Alfa's way long enough. If they need more FWD cars to survive, so be it. And if the whole industry is forced to go EV, Alfa has to go there as well.
 

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My opinion is based on long time observation of PSA. Let's stop there.

On past and current leadership. It seems that only Sergio knew what Alfa Romeo represents. All other what I've heard so far are just empty words and that includes current Alfa Romeo CEO Jean-Phillipe Imparato.
 

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It can't get much worse than under FCA. 5 more years with the old management and Alfa would have been more than dead.
With FCA, we got Guilia, Stlevio and we were about to get Tonale. Yes, there were a lot of delays and a lot of shelved programs.
With PSA, Alfa might go back to be just another FWD vehicle that is just a bit premium, and it’s everybody guess of what actually is STLA Medium.
 

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With FCA, we got Guilia, Stlevio and we were about to get Tonale. Yes, there were a lot of delays and a lot of shelved programs.
With PSA, Alfa might go back to be just another FWD vehicle that is just a bit premium, and it’s everybody guess of what actually is STLA Medium.

And Alfa Romeo approved what is known as Kid (B-SUV) and which is due to some political reasons moved from FCA to PSA platform. Some may say that it would tike too much time to make it on FCA platform. It's not true because with PSA coming into play it has faced further delays and this is something which AN Europe got right.

We will not get E-segment with PSA. All sources agree on this.

Actually with PSA we may only get one or two additional Alfas. With 4 approved under Manley to 5 or 6 under PSA.

And no E-SUV which Sergio wanted and gave green light. Basically a 2 row Grand Cherokee sibling with some more expensive parts and on road focused suspension.
Manley frozen it with PSA cancelled it

So tell me, maybe @Deckard Cain or @pumadog may help you, how can a brand be a global premium brand without E-segment models? I think that you agree that something is off.
 

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FCA screwed up royally with Alfa. They shelved a lot of products, and even cancelled the launch of planned versions of the Giulia and Stelvio that would've made it competitive against the current electrified models from other premium brands.
Where are the versions with the hybrid engine that showed up on the Ghibli, the PHEVs that would've been crucial to increase sales in Europe?

Yeah, no. The simple matter of fact is that FCA had no consistence and they balked on continued investment in Alfa. Can you criticize Stellantis because they're taking Alfa in a different direction? IMO, that is much better than having no direction, or change direction every 2 years.

Alfa hasn't been Alfa since the 80s. The Giulia was a breath of fresh air, but FCA failed to capitalize on it with sustained investment. I have an opinion where Alfa must go and it's the opposite of others. It's where Stellantis must go in general: full electrification. The same direction that every other premium and luxury brand is heading.
Jaguar is going full EV. Volvo is already all electrified and is going EV exclusive. The new Mercedes C-Class only has 4-cylinder engines and if you want more power you have to get electrified models. The Taycan is Porsche's best selling model.
That's where Alfa must go. The opportunity created with the Giulia and Stelvio was wasted when no other models were launched in succession in a reasonable time frame.

Criticizing Stellantis because FCA left Alfa empty and now they have to come up with new models? Well, if FCA had used Alfa's full potential this wouldn't be a discussion.
 

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FCA screwed up royally with Alfa. They shelved a lot of products, and even cancelled the launch of planned versions of the Giulia and Stelvio that would've made it competitive against the current electrified models from other premium brands.
No, FCA didn't cancel PHEV versions of Giulia and Stelvio. Imparato did it.
 

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They delayed and delayed and delayed to the point it stopped making sense. The Giulia and Stelvio are out since 2105/2016. A PHEV should've been out 3 or 2 years ago.
FCA had a very serious problem with execution. So, I will not criticize a plan that make take Alfa in a different direction than a plan that never came to fruition and suffered countless delays. That to me is much worse, and it's what is killing Alfa Romeo.
If they launch 10 new vehicles, with 7 being subpar but 2 or 3 are excellent, that to me is much more worth it than launching two vehicles of 6 or 7 planned with the others cancelled or delayed indefinitely.
 

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Actually I agree with FCA's decision. At that moment you are mentioning PHEV would be unncompetitive.

Or are you forgetting your friend's PHEV BMW? Supplier base is the same.
 

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BMW updated their PHEVs with higher battery range. The current 3-Series and 5-Series PHEVs are great!
I would've preferred an Alfa PHEV being launched and updated with more battery the year after than having nothing.
Better yet, if Alfa launched a superior PHEV they would've ridiculed BMW by showing them that not only they do something superior than the M3 (the Q) but also than their PHEVs.
They lost a chance to humiliate BMW even more.
They lost a chance to strengthen Alfa with a wider vehicle range. If they hadn't lost that chance then Stellantis wouldn't have to be doing what you're disagree with. If the fabled E-segment car and SUV were launched when they should've been launched then this wouldn't be a discussion.
If you are the weak side on a merger then you subject yourself to being absorbed by the stronger side. The european side of FCA was in a disgraceful state - this was Marchionne's responsability. So now if Alfa will use PSAs platforms then the blame lies at his feet. He was the CEO of Fiat group since 2004. It was his fault that Alfa and the european side of FCA were in the crap situation that they were in.
 
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I just checked. Paltry 37km electric range from BMW. Previously it was around 20km.

PHEV without 50km range is not usable.

But still here is not 4th gen ZF 8HP into play nor the platform which can accommodate bigger battery. FCA waited for both.

And then Le Cost Cutter came and say, let's cancel it.
 

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