Next generation charger?

[redriderbob]

No. They showed a barracuda (convertible IIRC) way back in 2013 to the dealers and they shot it down, they said just make the challenger better - and they did with great success.

2015

 

[TripleT]

Not getting downsized.

From a displacement perspective not power displacement.

 

[VANISHING POINT #1]

Not getting downsized.

Interior space will be the same as the current model??

 

[ChargerFan1]

2015

It was 2013

 

[Derek]

It was 2013

Where is these people getting this information from?

 

[TripleT]

I understand they have Cuda but could not get Barracuda

 

[ChargerFan1]

^ its just fantasy land click bait. AAR/Gurney Racing did have the rights to Cuda but Chrysler has had it since 2013, and just that, they hold it as its in high demand and they deserve the rights to it (dont want Kia stealing it). Doesn't mean they'll use it, at least not for the 2013 convertible they showed at a dealer show or what was potentially going to be the 2015 hellcat challenger.

 

[Tony K]

Have any of you rode a bullet train or a high speed train. Sure most of you have ridden in plane. It is boring.

Perspective is everything. I've been on several ICE trains in Germany doing 250 km/hr (155 MPH). At least you can see some scenery. I'd rather be on the train going that fast for 4 hours than trying to drive the same distance on the Autobahn at over 100 MPH in spurts. Driving fast is fun...but driving fast for long stretches is just work, particularly at night. I've driven in heavy high speed traffic on the Autobahn for multiple hours at a stretch. It wears you out at times, especially when there's lots of turning involved. That was in an E46 320d, 2018 timeframe. The trip I recall was coming back to Grafenwoehr (east of Nuremberg) from Muenster, through Kassel - Fulda area. You want a hotrod, maybe BEV ain't for you, but if you're buying transportation, which is actually what most people buy, BEV will eventually (pun intended) ice the ICE.

 

[TripleT]

Perspective is everything. I've been on several ICE trains in Germany doing 250 km/hr (155 MPH). At least you can see some scenery. I'd rather be on the train going that fast for 4 hours than trying to drive the same distance on the Autobahn at over 100 MPH in spurts. Driving fast is fun...but driving fast for long stretches is just work, particularly at night. I've driven in heavy high speed traffic on the Autobahn for multiple hours at a stretch. It wears you out at times, especially when there's lots of turning involved. That was in an E46 320d, 2018 timeframe. The trip I recall was coming back to Grafenwoehr (east of Nuremberg) from Muenster, through Kassel - Fulda area. You want a hotrod, maybe BEV ain't for you, but if you're buying transportation, which is actually what most people buy, BEV will eventually (pun intended) ice the ICE.

Exactly people who own a Honda or Toyota appliance will hardly notice the distance... Dodge is playing with fire because its customer base darn well will..

 

[HotCarNut]

Exactly people who own a Honda or Toyota appliance will hardly notice the distance... Dodge is playing with fire because its customer base darn well will..

That COULD offer Dodge a positive in the nascent Plug-In/BEV market overall though. Because their niche has been performance, the Dodge customer base are looking at torque and 0-60, overall power and lap times, and are used to a sportier ride than those looking at Toyotas. EVs have certain performance advantages, and with their focus on power as a brand, Dodge may get a boost over traditional mainstream brands. It’s one area where they could get a “jump” on the competition. Safety and reliability will never be synonymous with CDJR, so they have to play to another strength.

 

[Tony K]

Exactly people who own a Honda or Toyota appliance will hardly notice the distance... Dodge is playing with fire because its customer base darn well will..

If all you look at is current customer base, Dodge is screwed anyway, long term. Time to throw out the FCA branding and stop pretending all Dodge is is a performance brand that sells blue collar hotrods. It's a blue collar brand that has traditionally sold hotrod versions.

 

[ChargerFan1]

If all you look at is current customer base, Dodge is screwed anyway, long term. Time to throw out the FCA branding and stop pretending all Dodge is is a performance brand that sells blue collar hotrods. It's a blue collar brand that has traditionally sold hotrod versions.

There is nothing blue collar about a redeye charger or challenger. Have you seen the price increases on all of them in the past 5 years? They finally got their American AMG brand, thats for sure.

 

[Cody's Car Conundrum]

There is nothing blue collar about a redeye charger or challenger. Have you seen the price increases on all of them in the past 5 years? They finally got their American AMG brand, thats for sure.

Even when you take into account how much you have to spend to get nearly 800 horsepower elsewhere? You're not getting 800 HP for under $150K from Ferrari. Even if we agree north of $70K isn't exactly blue-collar, there's no denying that Dodge offers insane performance (or at least horsepower) for far less money than others do.

Moreover, the Scat Pack models and base Hellcats still exist. There are more models than just the top Hellcats...

 

[AlexB]

If all you look at is current customer base, Dodge is screwed anyway, long term. Time to throw out the FCA branding and stop pretending all Dodge is is a performance brand that sells blue collar hotrods. It's a blue collar brand that has traditionally sold hotrod versions.

In addition to John Elkann and Richard Palmer (the largest shareholder & Chairman, the CFO) FCA branding folks are in power especially in North and South America. Also Carlos turns the age 65 in August 2022.

 

[patfromigh]

If all you look at is current customer base, Dodge is screwed anyway, long term. Time to throw out the FCA branding and stop pretending all Dodge is is a performance brand that sells blue collar hotrods. It's a blue collar brand that has traditionally sold hotrod versions.

I hope someone in Auburn Hills is paying attention enough to notice there needs to be a blue collar BEV. The battery electric power space race is becoming absurd. Three engines and 800v charging, seriously? Back when GM killed the EV1, the electric car proponents were pointing out the simplicity and reduced maintenance the battery electric powertrain offered at that time.

Dodge needs to offer the battery electric equivalent of the Pentastar V6, a reliable, reasonably quick and affordable power unit. I would like to see a single motor with rear drive choice offered in the option mix, somewhere down the line. I'm not against front drive, but I'm looking at the Charger / Challenger DNA.

 

[ChargerFan1]

Even when you take into account how much you have to spend to get nearly 800 horsepower elsewhere? You're not getting 800 HP for under $150K from Ferrari. Even if we agree north of $70K isn't exactly blue-collar, there's no denying that Dodge offers insane performance (or at least horsepower) for far less money than others do.

Moreover, the Scat Pack models and base Hellcats still exist. There are more models than just the top Hellcats...

I know, which one do you have?

 

[Tony K]

There is nothing blue collar about a redeye charger or challenger. Have you seen the price increases on all of them in the past 5 years? They finally got their American AMG brand, thats for sure.

When you realize how much money some blue collar jobs can actually make, and the blue collar roots of many small business owners, not to mention the blue collar roots of the cars themselves, they're expensive blue collar hotrods. Especially when you consider the BASE price for the cheapest *comparable* AMG - the GT 43 - is $90+. and the GT Coupe starts at $118k.

 

[Cody's Car Conundrum]

I know, which one do you have?

This defeats my point... how exactly? Must I own one to state the obvious? No. Moreover, you're assuming you know who I am (and thus my job). I don't have a Hellcat/Redeye because I work a blue-collar job, I don't have a Hellcat/Redeye because I don't work a blue-collar job. It's not smart to assume you know someone that well when they've just interacted with you in this thread.

 

[Bili]

In addition to John Elkann and Richard Palmer (the largest shareholder & Chairman, the CFO) FCA branding folks are in power especially in North and South America. Also Carlos turns the age 65 in August 2022.

I doubt that he will got to pension at age 65. I'm expecting at least few more years from him.

 

[iDrive]

They have to do carefully with Dodge, they have done a superb job under FCA for the brand power, and I hope that they will do like this in futur.

The BEV Muscle is a very good idea for this brand. I don’t think so about the Tonale twin Hornet, with « little » motors. I hope that they will not sell Hornet with a motor under 2.0, but I don’t think so.
The lake of BEV version (like Tonale) will be very bas disadvantage, I think as soon as 2025, and after…