Next-gen Jeep Grand Cherokee spy shots?

[UN4GTBL]

Next-gen Jeep Grand Cherokee spied for the first time

 

[Rustydodge]

Boy that roof line looks an awful lot like current durango, which makes sense i guess.

 

[Bili]

As expected. From what I know Alfa 964 was closely related. But... Of course if they'll keep Alfa it will have different gasoline engines in comparison to Jeep. Diesels should be shared, Gen III 3.0 V6, and of course 2.2 all aluminium diesel as a base engine.

 

[Cody's Car Conundrum]

Get ready boys, the era of an onslaught of new FCA product is upon us!

 

[Blown7]

How can people tell from a picture it has a longer wheelbase and wider stance?

 

[Bili]

Is it based on Stelvio? If it is some things may be expected. For example track witdh. AFAIK Stelvio (949/GU) is almost an inch wider than WK2. I presume that WL will be even wider than Stelvio.

Wheelbase? WK2 has a short wheelbase for an E segment SUV. Its "twin" GLE has grown a lot. So we can expect that Grand Cherokee will grow by at least 2 inches.

 

[UN4GTBL]

Is it based on Stelvio? If it is some things may be expected. For example track witdh. AFAIK Stelvio (949/GU) is almost an inch wider than WK2. I presume that WL will be even wider than Stelvio.

Wheelbase? WK2 has a short wheelbase for an E segment SUV. Its "twin" GLE has grown a lot. So we can expect that Grand Cherokee will grow by at least 2 inches.

I hope so, it's small for it's segment IMO, especially rear seat room/comfort.

 

[Bili]

Some cars or someone would say SUVs for which Gen III V6 diesel was or is under development. WL is in that list.

• Mechanical Design Engineer
  April 2015 – March 2018 3 years
  Cento (FE)
  Resident Design Engineer at VM MOTORI FCA (Fiat Chrysler Automobiles)
  Department: Engineering BEC (Base Engine Components (engine block, crankshaft, connecting rod, piston))
  Principali progetti:
  - supporto migrazione dal sistema cad Catia V5 a Siemens NX
  - engine block V6 JL Gen3
  - engine block V6 DT Gen3
  - engine Block V6 E-UV Gen3 (Alfa Romeo project 964, Jeep WL)
  - update engine Block V6 Gen2
  - study layout V6 Twin Turbo

 

[Blown7]

Some cars or someone would say SUVs for which Gen III V6 diesel was or is under development. WL is in that list.

• Mechanical Design Engineer
  April 2015 – March 2018 3 years
  Cento (FE)
  Resident Design Engineer at VM MOTORI FCA (Fiat Chrysler Automobiles)
  Department: Engineering BEC (Base Engine Components (engine block, crankshaft, connecting rod, piston))
  Principali progetti:
  - supporto migrazione dal sistema cad Catia V5 a Siemens NX
  - engine block V6 JL Gen3
  - engine block V6 DT Gen3
  - engine Block V6 E-UV Gen3 (Alfa Romeo project 964, Jeep WL)
  - update engine Block V6 Gen2
  - study layout V6 Twin Turbo

Doesn't the current models offer diesel?

Me I only concern myself with the SRT's and Trackhawks... I like fast...

 

[Bili]

Old diesel is a Gen 2. This new version is a Gen 3. A lot has changed. Even maximum torque on paper, 14% more and now it peaks already at 1600 rpm in comparison to 2000 rpm for old one.

In Europe Grand Cherokee version or Jeep version is rated at 190 and 250 HP. There is a Maserati version with 275 HP but its turbo has a ceramic ball bearing.

In my opinion 190 HP version could be replaced by an all aluminium 2.2 liter diesel which is already in use by Alfa and Wrangler. It goes up to 210 HP for Alfa and 200 HP for Wrangler. Torque is not an issue for 2.2. Wrangler version has 450 Nm (332 lb ft) at 2000 rpm while Alfa has 470 Nm (347 lb ft) at 1750 rpm. 3.0 with 190 HP has 440 Nm (325 ft lb) at 1600 rpm.
The most important is that 2.2 weighs at least 80 kilos (176 lbs) if not up to 100 (220 lbs) less than 3.0 V6.

This class of vehicle in Europe is mostly sold as a diesel or a some form of hybrid.

 

[Blown7]

Old diesel is a Gen 2. This new version is a Gen 3. A lot has changed. Even maximum torque on paper, 14% more and now it peaks already at 1600 rpm in comparison to 2000 rpm for old one.

In Europe Grand Cherokee version or Jeep version is rated at 190 and 250 HP. There is a Maserati version with 275 HP but its turbo has a ceramic ball bearing.

In my opinion 190 HP version could be replaced by an all aluminium 2.2 liter diesel which is already in use by Alfa and Wrangler. It goes up to 210 HP for Alfa and 200 HP for Wrangler. Torque is not an issue for 2.2. Wrangler version has 450 Nm (332 lb ft) at 2000 rpm while Alfa has 470 Nm (347 lb ft) at 1750 rpm. 3.0 with 190 HP has 440 Nm (325 ft lb) at 1600 rpm.
The most important is that 2.2 weighs at least 80 kilos (176 lbs) if not up to 100 (220 lbs) less than 3.0 V6.

This class of vehicle in Europe is mostly sold as a diesel or a some form of hybrid.

Yes I saw that yesterday with the TFL truck specs on the new Ram diesel engine. On the other hand isn't most countries looking to limit or outright ban diesel engines?

 

[TripleT]

Everything starts life as something. You don't often start from scratch these days.

 

[Bili]

10" and 10".

 

[TripleT]

New Code folks.... anyone want to bet the build points are not in common with either of the current Alfa models?

 

[Blown7]

New Code folks.... anyone want to bet the build points are not in common with either of the current Alfa models?

So your proposing that the New Grand Cherokee and Wagoneer are sharing design points to themselves and its a whole new design??

 

[TripleT]

So your proposing that the New Grand Cherokee and Wagoneer are sharing design points to themselves and its a whole new design??

No sharing opportunity does not mean same build points, systems and components. I saying it not G platform mate like the Stelvio.

 

[Blown7]

No sharing opportunity does not mean same build points, systems and components. I saying it not G platform mate like the Stelvio.

Thanks thats interesting for all the hype that has been going on for awhile. I looked and drove the Stelvio Quad and didn't think it was remotely as big as the current Grand Cherokee Trackhawk I have.

 

[TripleT]

Thanks thats interesting for all the hype that has been going on for awhile. I looked and drove the Stelvio Quad and didn't think it was remotely as big as the current Grand Cherokee Trackhawk I have.

Little bird says GG platform a Global E sized build points. Architecture vs Platform thing still crosses people up. We already know the G platform is too small for E segment cars and something new was developed. Common build points are smart business as long as they do not compromise the integrity and performance of the vehicle. Be interesting to see how close it is too the existing Brampton build points... just sayin. So much for narrative that the Alfa experiments were a waste of money. Been saying for years down stream vehicle will benefit, even the Pacifica did. Now some high volume with direct benefit will be hitting the show room. People are so impatient

 

[Blown7]

Little bird says GG platform a Global E sized build points. Architecture vs Platform thing still crosses people up. We already know the G platform is too small for E segment cars and something new was developed. Common build points are smart business as long as they do not compromise the integrity and performance of the vehicle. Be interesting to see how close it is too the existing Brampton build points... just sayin. So much for narrative that the Alfa experiments were a waste of money. Been saying for years down stream vehicle will benefit, even the Pacifica did. Now some high volume with direct benefit will be hitting the show room. People are so impatient

So basically you might be saying ..That once I see the New Grand Cherokee Trackhawk of 2020/21...... it will make my 2018 ride like a truck and even with the same Hellcat engine the handling will be a lot better and a time beater on a racetrack?

 

[Rustydodge]

It's not very hard to imagine how good this vehicle should be. Take current Durango for size, with GC looks and offroad settings, and add some Stelvio handling.