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Yes but those guys won't enjoy getting routinely dusted by EV's which is already happening. I think Dodge's timing is perfect for this and EV's can be tuned, AEM is working on a tuner for the model S right now.

A tune adds about 30hp (if lucky) to a 392, anything extensive voids the warranty. A tuner for an EV can unleash serious power - no different than when Tesla releases things like "ludicrous mode" over the air. Rather than waiting - just do it yourself. The new plaid runs 9.20's @ 150mph stock, the car probably has 8.90's already in it. Free power that just needs to be unlocked. Ability to make the car RWD to do burnouts, then switch back to AWD and tune the power application. OR, void warranty, spend $25,000 you'll never get back ripping the engine apart to build a quicker car that blows transmissions. I see where the future is headed - the true gear heads will be doing motor, battery pack and controller swaps, which will also need tuning.

What AEM is going to do and what TESLA is doing is not tuning. These are merely a software update, similar to what you do to your phone or computer.
A tune is when you have multiple incoming data like air temp and pressure, fuel, exhaust temp and various others and you have to make them work together.

Sure EV will be fast and quick, but it will never have the smell and the sound of a V8.
 

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What AEM is going to do and what TESLA is doing is not tuning. These are merely a software update, similar to what you do to your phone or computer.
A tune is when you have multiple incoming data like air temp and pressure, fuel, exhaust temp and various others and you have to make them work together.

Sure EV will be fast and quick, but it will never have the smell and the sound of a V8.
Lol ... so you work for AEM and Tesla? Wow

I get it, guys are mad - change, whatever but this is like going from a rotary phone to an iPhone for anyone that isn't a rotary phone mechanic. 8 second cars for the people is what is happening

That "10 second car" that they talked about in that movie, may as well be a movie from 1949, that you laughed at..
 
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Having been disappointed repeatedly in the past, I'll believe the new Charger/Challenger is happening when it hits the showrooms and not before.
 

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Lol ... so you work for AEM and Tesla? Wow

I get it, guys are mad - change, whatever but this is like going from a rotary phone to an iPhone for anyone that isn't a rotary phone mechanic. 8 second cars for the people is what is happening

That "10 second car" that they talked about in that movie, may as well be a movie from 1949, that you laughed at..

Your being silly.... Alienating and diminishing the primary Customer base because "better solution" is a recipe for disaster. You can't track a EV, you can't tune modify a EV. EV have a current 2% penetration, and in most areas nearly no infrastructure. (hell for my club the closest Series3 charger is 20mins away) You can't drive to the track and then home, or Street ride. Your post seem to completely ignore, almost insult the current customer base, treating them like a bunch of Luddites is a hell of recipe for success.

Get your a fan, but listening to you would be suicide. There wouldn't be enough volume and adopters by 2024 to even justify the capacity and product development. Wondering if you have lived with one of these yet... My neighbors Tesla got more mileage on the service trailer than on the road. They are basically Exotics with all the build issues, fragility, and incomplete development that comes with owning one.

Having a single Halo version based on the higher capacity product is something I would support.

But stick nose up to customer base is just plain bad business, even the leadership knows.... You don't say "This isn't 1972" without full awareness that there would be substantial push back without proceeding carefully with adoption.

For sure there will be Halo Electric Muscle car for early adopter... Lets see if they can make that practical, drivable, and something other than boring before betting the entire future on it.

(PS. I am sure you are aware that EV are as old as EV, the primary and still limiting factor is Electric on demand storage)
 

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Lol... I am not the person at Dodge that made the decision to do an EV charger, take your frustrations up with them. They wont be alienating anyone, they told why in their presentation and Tim has even followed it up. Dodge buyers aren't old men, they are actually the youngest of any car company and the most open to this. It'll fit like a glove and it was just reported that they'll keep building the current version along with the new ones, at least for a little while. I had a Charger with the 392 engine - 9 YEARS AGO! Lol its time to turn the page
 

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So your announcing here that 2024 is EV only. You’ll come back next year to do a happy dance.

Alienating no one Ha

you better check the club scene. You better check with those who want to take a long trip, those far from series 3 Charger, rural buyers, you better check to no one said they will never buy a Dodge again.

i see the club buyers and tuner they are not old men, and they are not EV buyers.

face it I think your Trolling cuz anyone in their right mind knows that EVs don’t represent enough volume in 2 years to pay for the development. Abandoning ICE would mean the death of the brand.

One should see the noice made in the Alfa community…. Dodge is worse

I’ll get off the bait….. i realized your pull a joke
 

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You can't track an EV
Here we go again. Remember when you said one of the new FCA vehicles lacked capacity and I was left scratching my head thinking interior volume instead of production line throughput? Well, I was ready to disagree about tracking an EV. I was thinking tracking in the bloodhound sense of the word, and not in the R/T (Road and Track) definition.

I haven't brought this up because I try to avoid being political, but battery electric vehicles are very easy to track. I use the word "track" in the sense that big brother is my copilot. Right now just a few municipalities in the USA are implementing geo-fencing to keep their own fleet vehicles out of areas due to poor air quality. They don't want some diesel truck idling away stinking up a neighborhood. The truth is with modern diesels meeting the latest EPA mandates and "near zero" natural gas engines, a constant diesel odor is mostly a thing of the past. (Except out here in the Rolling Coal Central School District.:p )

Europe has zero and low emissions zones and they make sense in areas where the population density is very high. Battery electric city cars and delivery trucks are highly practical in core urban areas and represent low hanging fruit for solving environmental problems. In such cases the transponders and geo-fencing technology are to keep offending vehicles out of an area and not to keep a vehicle in.

Battery electric vehicles and the charging infrastructure supporting them in much of North America are very much connected to personal smart phones. Big brother can track you through your smart phone and can know where you are. If someone doesn't like this they can turn off their smart phone and charge their BEV at home. Just how far can such a person travel doing this?

Today we have no-fly lists and the threat of vaccine passports, now just recently everything has become a health crisis in our highly politicized society. In China the big business and government have created a "social credit" system. One builds up points by being a good citizen. A high point count enables a person to travel on airlines and high speed rail, or even take an intercity bus beyond a home region. Offenses which a person may be penalized include attending a non government approved church. Despite my religious beliefs and bad sense of humor often being in conflict with each other, I will still have very few brownie points under such a system because of my off-beat personality.

In conclusion, modern vehicles with their built in technology are already easy to track by big brother. Battery electric vehicles with their centralized command, cashless pay charging networks will provide a way for an authoritarian system a way to limit personal automobile travel. Wasn't there a song titled "Don't fence me in?"
 
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I'm assuming this is the next gen charger?
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So your announcing here that 2024 is EV only. You’ll come back next year to do a happy dance.

Alienating no one Ha

you better check the club scene. You better check with those who want to take a long trip, those far from series 3 Charger, rural buyers, you better check to no one said they will never buy a Dodge again.

i see the club buyers and tuner they are not old men, and they are not EV buyers.

face it I think your Trolling cuz anyone in their right mind knows that EVs don’t represent enough volume in 2 years to pay for the development. Abandoning ICE would mean the death of the brand.

One should see the noice made in the Alfa community…. Dodge is worse

I’ll get off the bait….. i realized your pull a joke
Reality isn't trolling, what you are doing is trolling.
 

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Challenger??...what design did they go with....modern or they keeping it retro?
 

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I'm assuming this is the next gen charger?
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Can't be has a Hellcat and according Bob the Charger expert EV only. They are scuttling the V8 plants and betting the farm on converting the one of the few remaining viable cars, abandoning the Mopar current customer base, and Fleet sales to rentals and Police, on a market with 2% penetration. The EV muscle car as a Halo model was to throw everyone off the trail of switching the entire segment to something most of NA isn't interested in yet.
 

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This is why they are going EV


And this isn't 1972 either, we aren't dropping to 94hp 4cyl tin cans, will the muscle from today even be worth anything once they're worn out?
 

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The most top level Mopar guy "Big Daddy Don Garlits" has been doing the EV thing for years and wants to be the first to crack 200 (as he was with a gas dragster in 1964). Don is in his late 80's, if the rest of those guys were still around they'd probably all be doing the same

 

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You don’t have to be full BEV to be fast or quick. You can use plug-in technology.
Mercedes is working on a 800+up PHEV, and so is BMW.
 

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