I am hearing they are rethinking the end of the V8 for Charger/Challenger

[cygnus]

I think they would/will keep a V8, if their fleet average economy allowed for it without paying tesla again (if that sort of this is still allowed).

Currently I believe starting in 2024 an 8% reduction is required. Then in 2026 they have to meet a 49 mpg fleet average.

I repeat....49 MPG average by 2026. So they have to craft plans to comply - until the requirements are (hopefully) tossed in the garbage can.

USDOT Announces New Vehicle Fuel Economy Standards for Model Year 2024-2026 | US Department of Transportation

Standards to require fleet average of 49 mpg by 2026, save consumers money, and advance U.S. energy independence

www.transportation.gov

No one should be mad at STLA. They are doing what they have to.

They are to blame if the fans have repeatedly said they want a V8, even if it means an extra $10-15K in the new models to pay for the CO2 credits. The EV halo received a very cool reaction from the fans, they're telegraphing LAST CALL to all the fans to absolutely shake them down and squeeze every bit of profit before the current offerings end, and are now internally backpedadling because they realize the I6 variants may not meet sales projections, unless a PHEV is involved, but no automaker globally has ever hit production numbers at the level that Brampton was doing on a normal day with the V8.

No one wants the EV variants that the prices STLA will ask for either, not in volumes that will yield profits for the program. This program is turning into a huge risk for Stellantis and its entirely their fault when they started using the 'LAST CALL' marketing language (they boxed themselves into a corner - they will have egg on their face and will have burned the fans that bought into the 'LAST CALL' if they change their mind now and decide to offer the base 5.7 V8 in the $55-70K range to pump up program volume, and no, this is obviously different than the a halo 6.4 L that is discussed earlier in this thread) and Tim goes on stage and tries to tell everyone that they're being forced to do this. It's all bullsh1t and a situation they concocted themselves, led primarily by Tavares.

Instead of Tim and the old Chrysler guys that are still at CTC (there are fewer and fewer of us, and more and more yes men) telling Tavares he doesn't know what he's talking about - we have the current leadership that just falls into line and does what they're told.

 

[VANISHING POINT #1]

The V8 is dead.

The end.

 

[cygnus]

The halcyon profit days are over because they killed the V8 and V6.

The end.

 

[Derek]

Any possibility of the next gens at the upcoming auto shows?

 

[VANISHING POINT #1]

Any possibility of the next gens at the upcoming auto shows?

Covid killed all of our car shows since 2020

 

[CloversPlusCats]

Any possibility of the next gens at the upcoming auto shows?

The Charger BEV probably gets shown in production guise at CES 2024 or another Dodge hosted event same year, LA '23 at the absolute earliest.

Detroit Auto Show would've made more sense if the schedules didn't change, but now it'll just be too early unless they literally allow themselves only a small number of months to fine tune the production car.

 

[cygnus]

I don’t expect many unveils for anything new until late 2023 or early 2024.

Production version of the Chrysler Airflow and Dodge Challenger/Charger gas engines…maybe.

I have no interest in any of the EV stuff. The most interesting stuff is the potential I6 mild hybrid offering that I created a thread for, but that won’t be available in a production Dodge or Jeep vehicle until 2024 at the earliest. My guess is that it will be 2025 until you see it offered in the 5/7 passenger Grand Cherokee, Wagoneer, and Wrangler…it’s going to be awhile.

 

[Derek]

2024 at the earliest. My guess is that it will be 2025 until you see it offered in the 5/7 passenger Grand Cherokee, Wagoneer, and Wrangler…it’s going to be awhile.



I hope they don't change the design of the Charger but I heard the production



I don’t expect many unveils for anything new until late 2023 or early 2024.



Production version of the Chrysler Airflow and Dodge Challenger/Charger gas engines…maybe.



I have no interest in any of the EV stuff. The most interesting stuff is the potential I6 mild hybrid offering that I created a thread for, but that won’t be available in a production Dodge or Jeep vehicle until 2024 at the earliest. My guess is that it will be 2025 until you see it offered in the 5/7 passenger Grand Cherokee, Wagoneer, and Wrangler…it’s going to be awhile.


Is the two door going be a option for the Charger?

 

[cygnus]

There will be a two door Challenger based on the next L car platform with a base I6, and potentially a I6 + mild hybrid performance trim, plus potentially a V8 halo model that is $30K more expensive than the current 6.4L Scatpack Charger/Challenger.

 

[cygnus]

(And a stupid EV version of course)

 

[Mopar392]

There will be a two door Challenger based on the next L car platform with a base I6, and potentially a I6 + mild hybrid performance trim, plus potentially a V8 halo model that is $30K more expensive than the current 6.4L Scatpack Charger/Challenger.

I don’t care how fast any version of the I6 will be. If that halo V8 is offered, I’m buying it.

 

[ChargerFan1]

I don’t care how fast any version of the I6 will be. If that halo V8 is offered, I’m buying it.

I6 is already marked to be the next Drag Pak engine so I dont know where this imaginary V8 stuff is coming from, they've said countless times its the final year for them.

 

[Mopar392]

To be fair, they said it’s the final year in the L platform.

And having and martketing the I6 as the top dog, does not mean you can not have a V8.

 

[artillerybuff]

To be fair, they said it’s the final year in the L platform.

And having and martketing the I6 as the top dog, does not mean you can not have a V8.

Not what I heard. Pretty sure dude said no more Hemi's...

 

[Derek]

Can any of our insiders confirm any of this mess?

 

[patfromigh]

I'm not an insider.

The video seems to indicate the size of the Challenger as being a handicap. Yes, a Challenger weighs more than a Camaro or Mustang, but it is a larger car. The Camaro is much too cramped, it is a caricature of a car, not a real one. A Mustang is slightly larger and accommodates a wider range of people, but it is still a tight fit. Why is the Challenger a sales success? Is it because the tortoise beats the hare? The Mustang has a reputation as being a three season car. The AWD Challenger certainly isn't, and I see a lot of them here in Frostbite Falls, MN. I have driven a few different ones in snowy conditions.

The question for me is will the Challenger continue to be a comfortable and practical muscle car. Will the Challenger be priced out of being attainable for most buyers? It is starting to be that way. The Mustangs claim to fame was that one could option up a fairly hot ride at a reasonable price. That isn't true anymore. Before the chip shortage a Challenger V6 could be had a reasonable price and still had decent power. Even with the Hemi a Challenger was still within reach if a buyer was careful choosing options. The Challenger replaced the Mustang as the obtainable muscle car, and that's why the Challenger was selling better.

 

[JohnRogers]

I'm not an insider.

The video seems to indicate the size of the Challenger as being a handicap. Yes, a Challenger weighs more than a Camaro or Mustang, but it is a larger car. The Camaro is much too cramped, it is a caricature of a car, not a real one. A Mustang is slightly larger and accommodates a wider range of people, but it is still a tight fit. Why is the Challenger a sales success? Is it because the tortoise beats the hare? The Mustang has a reputation as being a three season car. The AWD Challenger certainly isn't, and I see a lot of them here in Frostbite Falls, MN. I have driven a few different ones in snowy conditions.

The question for me is will the Challenger continue to be a comfortable and practical muscle car. Will the Challenger be priced out of being attainable for most buyers? It is starting to be that way. The Mustangs claim to fame was that one could option up a fairly hot ride at a reasonable price. That isn't true anymore. Before the chip shortage a Challenger V6 could be had a reasonable price and still had decent power. Even with the Hemi a Challenger was still within reach if a buyer was careful choosing options. The Challenger replaced the Mustang as the obtainable muscle car, and that's why the Challenger was selling better.

V8 engines aside, the other two important ingredients in the Challenger recipe were retro good looks and large cabin/trunk room. I've rented Camaro and Mustang, only Challenger is the one I have chosen to live with.

 

[cygnus]

YouTubers outside of Butter Da Great don't know anything.

 

[artillerybuff]

V8 engines aside, the other two important ingredients in the Challenger recipe were retro good looks and large cabin/trunk room. I've rented Camaro and Mustang, only Challenger is the one I have chosen to live with.

I have owned a Camaro SS and two Mustang GT's and I totally agree! Now I own two Challengers, both Scat Pack 1320's, one with a full interior, and one as a true single seater. Of the three I rated the Camaro at the bottom due to horrible visibility and weak warranty support. Actually loved the Mustangs, just like the Challengers a little more.

 

[Derek]

YouTubers outside of Butter Da Great don't know anything.


Yea...but ol butter hasn't been making any videos here lately and rumors are getting ridiculous! (Examples) The latest is two different reports of the next gen challengers design mirror camaro. one guy who supposedly knows a Brampton employee who seen a prescreened build sheet or diagrams he described it looking similar to a gen 5 camaro with 72-73 challenger style open grill and scoops in the front fenders and alot more aluminum components and panels vs the existing model but production wouldn't until Sept 12th