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GM Closing in Oshawa Ontario

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Just read that Richard Southern of 680 News Toronto is reporting that GM will soon announce that it is closing all of its Oshawa operations. A vp from G M got back to him saying that they have no news or comment tonight & won't be commenting on others speculation.
 
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announcement is to be today I heard on AM 760 (Detroit radio)
 

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Good morning. All production workers have left the plant apparently told to do so by union. Not looking good.
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This isn't surprising, but still sad for those affect, while the person making the bad product decisions which created the under capacity goes around without being held accountable (Mary Barra).
 

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This isn't surprising, but still sad for those affect, while the person making the bad product decisions which created the under capacity goes around without being held accountable (Mary Barra).
Not sure how much Mary Bara had to do with consumers shift away from sedans, or the reluctance to reduce overcapacity during bankruptcy proceedings, or the downturn in the China market. But she did sign off on the awful new trucks and the disastrous Camero redesign so there’s that.
 
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I'm stuck on the 300's death. Many automakers are dropping sedans, but what if only one option remained ?
It would have the entire market to it's self ?
Although , with out the 300, the Charger would cover some of that loss , as it will be one of the few RWD V8 sedans
in the world ...
 

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Tired of talking heads lumping “the Detroit 3” together. They are each in very different places, product and financial wise due to very different decision making. How bout some nuance? I’m talking to you Morning Edition.
 

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GM is a fat mess. The management team which were replaced after the bankruptcy are all people that were managers when the last managers ran the company into the ground. GMs has several issues that FCA and Ford do not have.

One, GM wanted brands like Chevrolet to have a vehicle in every segment. It didn't matter if the company was hard up for development money or what. But if Chevrolet could have a potential car in every segment, GM would sell a car. Didn't matter how much it cost to develop, GM's bottom line was sales numbers. Even if the segment was a dud, sell sell sell.

Second, brands that have vehicles that compete with one another. Chevrolet just introduced the all-new Chevrolet Blazer CUV which will compete against the Ford Escape and Jeep Cherokee. It will also compete against the Chevrolet Equinox. Makes sense? Then you have Buick competiting with premium Chevrolets and GMCs. The brands all compete against each other. Alan Mulally, come up with the "One Ford" method. Build one Ford globally for a segment. The Lincoln brand has now pushed their brand to the point that it doesn't compete with Ford. Sergio Marchionne made FCA have one car per segment. Thats why you see a three-row Durango and a two-row Grand Cherokee (but no three row yet). It sounded stupid, but it worked.

Third, manufacturing plants. GM has a knack for having more plants than it can deal with. Instead of having flexible plants that can run multiple architectures (example, FCA Windsor builds both RT and RS minivans and Toluca builds the 500, Compass and Journey), their plants run like one or two shifts instead of being at full capacity. Sergio never wanted to build a new plant. Instead run all the current plants at full capacity to ensure jobs were kept and lower cost of operation overall. GM can't figure this out. Instead, now GM is keeping the last generation trucks for example. They are partially assembling them in Fort Wayne, Indiana and then shipping them to Ontario to complete the assembly process.

GM is out of control. Trump is upset, because he helped cut regulations for the big-three where Toyota, Honda and Nissan didn't want the cuts because they sell passenger cars and GM builds products that are passenger cars here in the U.S. and half of their truck line is built in Mexico and Canada.
 

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"GM wanted brands like Chevrolet to have a vehicle in every segment. It didn't matter if the company was hard up for development money or what"
sounds like some of the genius's on Allpar ..... want FCA spread out like butter on a toast ...
 

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GM is a disaster. Everything they're coming out with is worse than what it replaced, the designs are getting uglier and if the new 2.7 Turbo 4 in the Silverado is an indication their engineering is a mess. Every time they touch the Camaro, sales drop lol. It now handily gets outsold by the so called "dated" Challenger. Ram is hot on their heels looking for the #2 spot that the Silverado holds.

Compare the 2.7 Turbo 4 in the 2019 Silverado to the 2.7 EcoBoost V6 in the F150 and the F150 has more power, more torque, better fuel economy on the highway (same combined), better towing, it makes GMs turbo 4 look stupid.

Compare the Turbo 4 to the eTorque Pentastar in the 2019 Ram and it gets beaten in fuel economy again, yes its got better power and torque numbers but still, if you're going to introduce a turbo 4 in a full sized truck it better be setting the world on fire as far as fuel economy goes or what's the point.

Here's their stupid 2.7 Turbo 4 compared to the eTorque Pentastar, Hemi and 2.7 EcoBoost Ford.

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GM CEO to meet with U.S. lawmakers over job cuts
All eyes are on General Motors right now

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WASHINGTON — General Motors Co Chief Executive Mary Barra plans to visit Capitol Hill next week to discuss the company's plans to halt production at five plants in North America next year and cut up to 15,000 jobs, two congressional aides said on Friday.

GM has come under harsh criticism from lawmakers from both major political parties, and from President Donald Trump, since Monday when it announced the biggest restructuring for the U.S. No. 1 carmaker since its bankruptcy a decade ago.

Barra is expected to meet with lawmakers from Michigan and Ohio, where GM plans to shutter three plants, as well as senior leaders in Congress. GM did not immediately comment.

Barra has been calling lawmakers this week to explain the decision to end production. Trump has threatened to revoke subsidies for GM.

The Detroit automaker plans to halt production next year at three assembly plants: the Lordstown small-car factory near Youngstown, Ohio; the Detroit-Hamtramck complex in Detroit; and the Oshawa, Ontario, assembly complex near Toronto. It will also stop building several models now assembled at those plants, including the Chevrolet Cruze, the Chevrolet Volt hybrid, the Cadillac CT6 and the Buick LaCrosse.

Additionally, GM plans to shutter the Warren transmission plant outside Detroit and a plant that makes electric motors and drivetrains outside Baltimore, Maryland.

The Cruze compact car will be discontinued in the U.S. market in 2019, although GM may continue building it in Mexico for other markets, Barra said.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/11/30/gm-ceo-mary-barra-washington-lawmakers/
 

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"GM wanted brands like Chevrolet to have a vehicle in every segment. It didn't matter if the company was hard up for development money or what"
sounds like some of the genius's on Allpar ..... want FCA spread out like butter on a toast ...

Yeah, but none of them have ran a business. GM never changed its business model after the bankruptcy. The management team was just lower level managers then. Imagine if Pontiac and Hummer were still around... more GM brands competing against each other. See Sergio did not want cars in the same showroom competing against each other. I thought that was stupid back in 2015 and have come to my senses. There is only one segment that FCA US has that competes with each other directly with two of its brand vehicles. The Dodge Grand Caravan and Chrysler Pacifica. The old cash cow Grand Caravan still out sells the Pacifica. But why? Pricing. Pacifica's tooling isn't bad off yet, plus a ton of technology was put into that vehicle causing it be priced way more. So having them around, has been beneficial.

If you think the Dodge Durango and Jeep Grand Cherokee compete against one another, you are wrong. One is a two-row SUV and one is a three-row based SUV (yes, you can get two-rows but its different from the Jeep). Also one is focused on performance and the other is more luxury oriented off-roader.

It also explains why Dodge is moving the Durango to a body-on-frame architecture and allowing a three-row Jeep unibody to be built in its place.

Sergio's methods are a great example at how a car company can make brands appeal to different customers and offer packages of vehicles that don't directly compete with one another.
 

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It's all in how any story is spun to make one side or the other seem like the bad guy...

Keep a factory open making things people don't want.. or close it down.

Thank the Dodge Bros for making the stockholders come first. I guess as it should be. It still sucks if your the poor guy in the middle.
 

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